Descendants of Camber- Chart 1- House of MacRorie, MacAthan, and Drummond

[Laurna]

Descendants of Camber MacRorie, Earl of Culdi
(Nearly all information is summerized from the 'Codex Derynianus' by Katherine Kurtz and Robert Reginald. Some is from my reading of the novels of the Deryni Series and a little of my own 'Best Guess' from what I know of this world. In those places I state "best guess'. Enjoy.) Laurna 3/22/2015

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The Descendants of Camber MacRorie- Generations 1-2 and
Cathan's Descendants Generation 2-8

Generation 1

+Camber Kyriell MacRorie,  7th Earl of Culdi,  Deryni Mage
Called Defensor Hominum and Kingmaker, Saint
      Born: August 3, 846    Died: in name June 905; Died: January 6, 918
      Son of Ballard II and Ardis Lady Drummond.
      Married: Jocelyn Lady de La Marche on May 18,871
      6 children: Count Cathan; Lady Jerusha (Died at age twelve of fever); Lord Ballard(died at age 11 of fever); Lord Joram (Michaeline priest); Lady Ardissa (stillborn); Lady Evaine.
~Jocelyn Lady de La Marche, Countess of Culdi, Lady, Trained Deryni
      Born July 21 848, Died December 12 896
      Daughter of Evan Barib de la Marche and Brio Lady Gillaspie
      Married: Camber Kyriell MacRorie on May 18, 871


Generation 2 Descendants of:

...Camber.

+ Cathan Adrian MacRorie, Count and Master of Culdi, Trained Deryni
      Born: August 30, 873      Died: December 1,903
      Son of Camber MacRorie and Jocelyn Lady de la Marche
      Married: Elinor Lady Howell on May 26, 897
      2 Children: Lord Davin Elathan (later Earl of Culdi); Lord Ansel Irial (ancestor of the MacAthan Family).
      Murdered by King Imre for suspected treason.
~Elinor Elisabedd Howell MacRorie Drummond, Lady, Deryni
      Born: June 1, 880        Died: October 26, 957
      Daughter of Michael Lord Howell and Mary Lady MacLean
      Half-sister of Coel Lord Howell and Melissa Lady Howell
      Married: Cathan MacRorie on May 26, 897
      2 Children: Lord Davin Elathan (later Earl of Culdi); Lord Ansel Irial (ancestor of the MacAthan Family).
      Married secondly: James (Jamie) Lord Drummond on July 17,906
      2 Children: Lady Michaela Jocelyne (who married Rhys Michael King of Gwynedd); Lord Cathan Cinhil "Cathal" (who married Jerusha Evaine Jodotha Thuryn).
      James Lord Drummond accepted as his wards, the Ladies Richeldis and Giesele after their father's death(Geoffrey Lord MacLean) November 21,911.
      Elinor's powers were Blocked by Tavis on January 21, 918
      Forced Retirement to Saint Dymphna's Convent at Grecotha.
      Died upon hearing the news of her son Cathan's death.

+ Jerusha MacRorie, Lady
      Born: c974-876  Died: age 12 of fever.

+ Ballard MacRorie, Lord
    Born: c975-877    Died: age 11 f fever.

+ Joram Angus MacRorie, Lord, Sir, and Father, Trained Deryni
    Born: November 23, 878    Died: 948
    Son of Camber MacRorie and Jocelyn Lady de la Marche
    Entered the Militant Order of Saint Michael in 897
    Ordained May 15, 899
    Founding member of the Camerian Council

+ Ardissa, Lady
      stillborn
   
++ Evaine Elspeth Jessamyn MacRorie Thuryn, Lady, Trained Deryni
      Born: October 6, 882    Died: August 1, 918
      Daughter of Camber MacRorie and Jocelyn Lady de la Marche
      Married: Rhys Lord Thuryn on January 6, 904
      4 Children: Lord Aidan Camber (murdered at age 10 by the regents); Lady Rhysel Jocelyn (married Sir Robert Ainslie); Lord Tieg Joram (married Karis D'Oriel); Lady Jerusha Evaine Jodotha (married Sir Cathan Drummond)
      Founding Member of the Camberian Council, Chatelaine of Tor Caerrorie
      Died while attempting to restore her father from a suspension spell.
~Rhys Malachy Thuryn, Lord, Deryni Healer
      Born: February 17, 877 orphaned in 878 and adopted by Camber MacRorie
      Son of Malachy Lord Thuryn and Rosanaugh Lady FitzWilliams
      Married: Evaine Lady MacRorie on January 6, 904
      Studied Saint Liam's Abbey, Owned estate called Sheele, North of Valoret.
      Founding Member of the Camberian Council,
      Died December 25, 917 while helping Camber escape from the Regents' trap at All Saints Cathedral.
      (See chart 2)

Generation 3 Descendants of:

...Cathan, Camber.

+ Davin Elathan MacRorie, 8th Earl of Culdi, Trained Deryni, Blocked
      Born: April 13, 898    Died: September 28, 917 Outlawed as traitor
      Son of Cathan MacRorie and Elinor Lady Howell
      Never Married
      Confirmed Earl on July 7, 905   
      Powers blocked, assumed the form of Eidiard, a soldier, June 1, 917
       
+ Ansel Irial MacRorie, Lord, de jure 9th Earl of Culdi. Trained Deryni
      Born: March 23, 900    Died: 948
      Son of Cathan MacRorie and Elinor Lady Howell
      Married Fiona Lady MacLean on May 14, 929
      3 Children: Lady Katrin; Lady Davina; Lord Stuart Cathan (later called Stuart MacAthan).
      Ancestor of the MacAthan Family. His son Stuart was the first to take on the MacAthan name.
      Cambarian Council Member  January 8, 918
~Fiona MacLean, Lady, Trained Deryni
      Born: December 16, 892    Died: 948
      Second child of Iain II Earl of Kierney and Catriona Lady of Mar
      Sister to Adrian MacLean, Hereditary Count of Kierney
      Married: Ansel Lord MacRorie on May 14, 929
      She survived the attack on Trurill Castle on December 31, 917
      Assisted Ansel's healing on January 21, 918
      She was given the care of the Thuryn children and later took them to the safety of Trevalga in The Connait.

...Evaine, Camber.

++ Aidan Camber Thuryn, Deryni
      Born: January 6, 907    Died: December 31, 917 age 10
      Son of Rhys Lord Thuryn and Evaine Lady MacRorie
      Fostered to Adrian Lord MacLean in Trurill.
      Mistaken of Camlin MacLean he was tortured and killed by Manfred's men.

++1 Rhysel Jocelyn Thuryn Ainslie, Lady, Trained Deryni
      Born: November 18, 910    Died: October 23, 974
      Daughter of Rhys Lord Thuryn and Evaine Lady MacRorie
      Orphaned on August 1, 918, Raised by Fiona MacLean
      Married: Sir Robert Ainslie on August 21, 928
      3 Children: Lady Bethany (married Alphard Baron Stanzar); Sir Javyl (Lord of Argoed 973-); Lady Tiphane (married Tammaron Duke of Cassan).
~Robert Ainslie, called Robin, Hereditary Lord Argoed, Lord Regent of Gwynedd, Sir
      Born: April 1 901    Died: February 3, 949
      Son of Ainslie Lord Argoed (lives 100 years and 5 days 873-973) and Edidh Lady Ballingmore. Robert died before his father.
      Married: Rhysel Lady Thuryn on August 21, 928
    (See chart 2)

++2 Tieg Joram Thuryn, Lord, Deryni Healer
      Born: August 1, 914      Died: 948
      Son of Rhys Lord Thuryn and Evaine Lady MacRorie
      Orphaned on August 1, 918, Raised by Fiona MacLean
      Married: Karis Lady D'Oriel on August 25, 935
      4 Children: Lady Madelon (who married Jurgen Lord Leslie); Lady Aine; Lord Jacuth; Lady Lassa.
      Assisted Joram, Healer and able to Block powers
~Karis d'Oriel, Lady, Deryni
      Born: July 14 917    Died: 948
      Only child of Oriel Lord de Bourg (Deryni Healer) and Alana Lady Destaing
      Married: Tieg Lord thuryn on August 25, 935
      (See chart 2)

++3 Jerusha Evaine Jodotha Thuryn Drummond, Lady, Deryni Healer
      Born: January 1, 918    Died: January 7, 1001 age 83 years
      Daughter of Rhys Malachy Lord Thuryn and Evaine MacRorie
      Married: Sir Cathan Drummond on April 30, 937
      Children: Lady Kyriella (who married Stuart Lord MacAthan); Lord Corwin; Lady Evalina.
      After her mother's death on August 1, 918, she was raised by her cousin Fiona Lady MacLean.
~Cathan Cinhil Drummond, Sir,  Lord Deryni
      Born: March 23, 910    Died: October 18, 957 age 47
      Son of Lord James (Jamie) Drummond and Elinor Elisabedd Howell MacRorie
      Brother of Lady Michaela Queen of Gwynedd.
      Married: Jerusha Thuryn on April 30, 937
      Children: Lady Kyriella; Lord Corwin; Lady Evalina.

Generation 4 Descendants of:

...Ansel, Cathan, Camber.

+Katrin MacRorie, Lady, Deryni
      Born: in or after 930
      Daughter of Ansel Irial MacRorie and Fiona MacLean

+Davina MacRorie, Lady, Deryni
      Born: in or after 931
      Daughter of Ansel Irial MacRorie and Fiona MacLean

+Stuart Cathan MacRorie, Lord (later called Stuart MacAthan), Deryni
      Born: in or after 932
      Son of Ansel Irial MacRorie and Fiona MacLean
      Married: Kyriella Drummond (See chart 2)
      Children: ?(Krispin)MacAthan (ancestor of Sief MacAthan)
      (Additional children from Fan-fiction War of Three Kings by drakensis- see chart 7)
~++3 Kyriella Drummond MacAthan, Lady, Deryni
      Born in or after 938
      Daughter of Cathan Cinhil Drummond and Jerusha Thuryn
      Married: Stuart MacAthan ie Stuart Cathan MacRorie
      Children: ?(Krispin)MacAthan (ancestor of Sief MacAthan)

...Jerusha, Evaine, Camber.

++3 Kyriella Drummond MacAthan Lady, Deryni
      Born in or after 938
      Daughter of Cathan Cinhil Drummond and Jerusha Thuryn
      Married Stuart MacAthan
      Children: ?(Krispin)MacAthan (ancestor of Sief MacAthan)
~+Stuart MacAthan, Lord,  Deryni
      Son of Ansel Irial MacRorie and Fiona MacLean
      Married: Kyriella Drummond
      Children:?(Krispin)MacAthan (ancestor of Sief MacAthan)
      (additional children from fan-fiction War of Three Kings by drakensis- see chart 7)

++3 Corwin Drummond Lord,  Deryni
      Born:  ?  Died:  ?
      Son of Cathan Cinhil Drummond and Jerusha Thuryn 
      Married: ?
      Children: ?
      (Children from fan-fiction War of Three Kings by drakensis- see chart 7)
               
++3 Evalina Drummond, Lady, Deryni
      Born in or after 938
      Daughter or Cathan Cinhil Drummond and Jerusha Thuryn

Generation 5 Descendants of:

...Katrin, Ansel, Cathan, Camber.

+ ?

...Davina, Ansel, Cathan, Camber.

+ ?

...Stuart Cathan, Ansel, Cathan, Camber.
...Kyriella, Jerusha, Evaine, Camber.

+,++3 Krispin MacAthan, Lord, Deryni
    (Best Guess that this is the Krispin MacAthan mentioned by Sief in In the Kings Service.)
      Born: sometime around 963      Died:
      Son of Stuart MacAthan and Kyriella Drummond
    ("I've decided to call him Krispin. There was a Krispin MacAthan a few generations back." In the King's Service Prologue. Sief MacAthan said this of his  family, and this is the most likely person to be of that name.)

 +,++3? (Fan-fiction War of Three Kings by Drakensis) (See Chart 7)
   
...Corwin, Jerusha, Evaine, Camber.

++3 ?

++3  ? (Fan-fiction War of Three Kings by Drakensis)
      (See Chart 7)
             
...Evalina, Jerusha, Evaine, Camber.

++3 ?

Generation 6 Descendants of:

...Krispin MacAthan, Stuart Cathan, Ansel, Cathan, Camber
...Krispin MacAthan, Kyriella, Jerusha, Evaine, Camber.

+,++3 ?MacAthan Lord,  Deryni
      Born: sometime around 980
      Son: ??MacAthan
      Ancestor of Sief MacAthan

+,++3 ?2MacAthan Lord, Deryni
      Born sometime around 981
      Son: ??2MacAthan
    (Fan-fiction War of Three Kings by Drakensis)(see chart 7 Fan-fiction)
   

Generation 7 Descendants of:

...?MacAthan, Krispin MacAthan, Stuart Cathan, Ansel, Cathan, Camber.
...?MacAthan, Krispin MacAthan, Kyriella, Jerusha, Evaine, Camber.

+,++3 ??MacAthan, Deryni
      Born: sometime around 1000
      Son: Lord Sief MacAthan

...?2MacAthan, Krispin MacAthan, Stuart Cathan, Ansel, Cathan, Camber.
...?2MacAthan, Krispin MacAthan, Kyriella, Jerusha, Evaine, Camber.

+,++3 ??2MacAthan, Deryni
      Born: sometime around 1000
      Daughter: Lady Sylphe MacAthan( Best guess)

Generation 8 Descendants of:


...??MacAthan, ?MacAthan, Krispin, Stuart Cathan, Ansel, Cathan, Camber.
...??MacAthan, ?MacAthan, Krispin, Kyriella, Jerusha, Evaine, Camber.

+,++3 Sief, Lord MacAthan, Camberian Council member, Deryni (6th or 7th generation)
      Born: c.1023    Died: 1082 at about age 59
      Son of
      Married: Jessamy Ap Lewys after  March 1052. When her father's occult experiment goes awry and he disappears on March 21 1052
      Children: four surviving daughters- Sieffina (married oldest son of Michon de Courcy); Jessilde; Jesiana; Seffira. - several sons that did not survive.
      Discovered his wife had an affair with King Donal Haldane and is killed in a Duel Arcane with the King.
~Jessamy Ap Lewys, Lady, Deryni
      Born: c1041 (age 40+ in 1082)    Died:
      Daughter of Lweys ap Norfal and Ilde Furstan-d Arjenol
      Married Sief MacAthan at age 11, bedded at age 14
      Children: Sieffina; Jessilde; Jesiana; Seffira
      An Affair with King Donal Haldane
      Children: Lord Krispin

...??2MacAthan, ?2MacAthan, Krispin, Stuart Cathan, Ansel, Cathan, Camber.
...??2MacAthan, ?2MacAthan, Krispin, Kyriella, Jerusha, Evaine, Camber.

+,++3 Sylphe, Lady MacAthan, Deryni, (Best Guess: should be a cousin or a 2nd cousin to Sief MacAthan)
      Born:      Died:
      Daughter of : ?
      Married: Michon Etienne Estephe de Courcy, Baron de Courcy and Stanza on May 1, 1055 (eldest son of Guiscard Titular Baron de Courcy and Stanzar  and Lady Lune daughter of Bonarld Count of Trevalga) (Codex page 179)
      Children: Lady Charolys: Hereditary Lord Aurelien (later Titular Baron de Courcy and Stanzar married Sieffina MacAthan); Lord Jehoram; Lady Micheline; Lord Fenelon; Lady Chablys.
~++1 Michon Etienne Estephe de Courcy, Baron de Courcy and Stanzar, Deryni
      Born: May 11, 1030      Died: October 30, 1097  Age 67 years
      Eldest son of Guiscard Titular* Baron de Courcy and Stanzar and Lady Lune daughter of Bonarld Count of Trevalga. Succeeded his father on November 20, 1056.  (Codex page 179)
      Married to Sylphy MacAthan on May 1, 1055
      Children: 3 boys, 3 girls
      Elected to Camberian Council in 1067, secretly training many young Deryni in the magical arts.

Generation 9 Descendants of:

...Sief, ??MacAthan, ?MacAthan, Krispin, Stuart Cathan, Ansel, Cathan, Camber.
...Seif, ??MacAthan, ?MacAthan, Krispin, Kyriella, Jerusha, Evaine, Camber.

+,++3 Sieffani MacAthan, Lady,  Deryni
      Born:        Died:
      Oldest daughter of Sief MacAthan and Jessamy ap Lewys
      Married: Lord Aurelien de Courcy, oldest son of Michon de Courcy's (Michon's other two sons are Lord Jehoram and Lord Fenelon)
      Children:
~+,++3,++1 Aurilien de Courcy, Baron de Courcy and Stanzar (1097-  ), Deryni
      Born:        Died:
      (See chart 2)

+,++3 Jessilde, Sister Iris Jessilde, Deryni
      Born:        Died:
      Daughter of Sief MacAthan and Jessamy ap Lewys
      A sister at the Convent d"Arc-en-Ciel a days ride north of Rhemuth.

+,++3 Jesiana MacAthan,  Deryni
      Born: c.1073 (nine years old in 1082)  Died:
      Daughter of Sief MacAthan and Jessamy ap Lewys
 
+,++3 Seffira MacAthan, Deryni
      Born: c.1078 (four years old in 1082)  Died:
      Daughter of Sief MacAthan and Jessamy ap Lewys

++1 Krispin Sief MacAthan, Deryni
      born: 1082  Died: 1/6/1090
      Secretly a son of Donal Haldane and Jessamy ap Lewys
      Publicly known as the only living son of Sief MacAthan and Jessamy ap Lewys .
      Outrageously abused by two guardsmen in the service of Baron Deldour of Carthane and then Murdered by Septimus de Nore on Twelfth Night in 1090.

Generation 10 Descendants of:

...Aurilien, Michon, Guiscard, ??deCourcy, ?de Courcy, Bethany, Rhysel, Evaine, Camber. and
...Aurilien, Sylphe, ??2 MacAthan, ?2MacAthan, Krispin, Stuart Cathan, Ansel, Cathan, Camber.
...Aurilien, Sylphe, ??2MacAthan, ?2MacAthan, Krispin, Kyriella, Jerusha, Evaine, Camber.
...Sieffana, Sief, ??MacAthan, ?MacAthan, Krispin, Stuart Cathan, Ansel, Cathan, Camber.
...Sieffana, Seif, ??MacAthan, ?MacAthan, Krispin, Kyriella, Jerusha, Evaine, Camber.

+,++3,++1,+,++3 The children of Aurilien and Sieffana (all children are Deryni)

[revanne]

I am in total awe of your industry and attention to detail

[Aerlys]

Me too. I can't even organize my sock drawer. 

[Laurna]

Who said anything about organizing a sock drawer?  I most certainly can not do that. LOL!

This was a far more ambitious project than I thought it would be in the beginning. I have been working on it for months, and I still don't have chart 5 and 6 completed. But it will get done soon enough.

Please, if anyone sees an error, point it out to me. And if in your reading of the novels, you find more information such as names of spouses and children that are unknown or dates, I would love to know about it.

Have a wonderful day.

[Jerusha]

I bow to the Mistress of Genealogy.  Your research and attention to detail is awesome. 

The contents of my sock drawer has folded in respect for your efforts.   

[lenni]

<snip>
++ Evaine Elspeth Jessamyn MacRorie Thuryn, Lady, Trained Deryni
      Born: October 6, 882     Died: August 1, 918
      Daughter of Camber MacRorie and Jocelyn Lady de la Marche
      Married: Rhys Lord Thuryn on January 6, 904
      4 Children: Lord Aidan Camber (murdered at age 10 by the regents); Lady Rhysel Jocelyn (married Sir Tovin Ainslie); Lord Tieg Joram (married Karis D'Oriel); Lady Jerusha Evaine Jodotha (married Sir Cathan Drummond)

That should say that Lady Rhysel married Sir *Robert* Ainslie (also called Robin).

~++3 Kyriella Drummond MacAthan, Lady, Deryni
      Born in or after 938
      Daughter or Cathan Cinhil Drummond and Jerusha Thuryn

That should say "Daughter *of* ..."

++3 Evalina Drummond, Lady, Deryni
       Born in or after 938
       Daughter or Cathan Cinhil Drummond and Jerusha Thuryn

That should say "Daughter *of* ..."

Good job!

[Laurna]

Thank you for finding my typos. Those are now fixed.

[Shiral]

"Daughter or Cathan" I have to admit this typo made me giggle.  "Who should I be today?  A daughter, or should I be Cathan?" 

Melissa

[Laurna]

[Marko]

Didn't Rhys die on December 25, 917?

[lenni]

Didn't Rhys die on December 25, 917?

Yes, alas. :-(

Lenni

[Laurna]

Didn't Rhys die on December 25, 917?

Yes, alas. :-(

Lenni

Oh dear! My error! FIXED. Thank you Marko, thank you lenni for catching that. I misread the Codex and I had blocked that part of the KJY from my memory. Some tragedies are to traumatic to reread.

[revanne]

Isn't all of KJY too traumatic!  I think though, that the death of Rhys is in Camber the heretic - not that it makes it any easier to read.

[Shiral]

You're correct, Revanne. Rhys does die at the end of CtH
Melissa

[Jerusha]

Rhys' death was always the hardest for me to deal with.  It took me a while to believe that KK had really done it.  Not that those that followed were that much easier, but I guess I had learned to cope.