KKChat -- 11 May 2025 (Mother's Day Edition)

[Bynw]

[18:18] * web54 () has joined #Deryni_Destinations
[18:18] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> He's showing as logged on but idle on Discord, which usually means AFK
[18:18] <The_Bee> HI KK1
[18:19] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Hi Strippy
[18:19] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Hullo KK, Happy Mothers Day! 🙂
[18:19] <web54> Hello, all, and especially mothers.
[18:19] <HoundMistress> So Strippy is KK?
[18:19] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> No, I think web54 is KK
[18:19] * web54 is now known as KK
[18:19] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Strippy is not KK
[18:19] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> No!
[18:19] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> Hi KK. Happy Mothers Day. Hope you have had a good day
[18:19] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Web54, don't forget to change your nick
[18:20] <HoundMistress> Oh, web54 was KK, so do I know Strippy?
[18:20] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> He's fairly new to the forum
[18:20] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> He was at Zoom this month
[18:20] <HoundMistress> Ok, then no, I don't.
[18:20] <HoundMistress> I wanted to Zoom but the laptop was not cooperating
[18:21] <KK> It was excellent. I went to a mothers day fund raiser tea at the cat rescue where I got Daphne.
[18:21] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> What was it doing?
[18:21] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> That sounds like fun, KK
[18:21] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> I meant to zoom but fell asleep and din't wake up until it was too latw
[18:21] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Oh nice. Hopefully the kitties appreciate it. 🙂
[18:21] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> I meant to zoom but fell asleep and din't wake up until it was too late
[18:21] <The_Bee> Did you meet other kitties and the fur-parents?
[18:22] <KK> It was. Couldn't go up to the cat room, because my knee is not up for it yet, but the tea was lovely.  I go most years.
[18:22] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> DS got me a Mother's Day card that was almost more like a mini-book, it had so many pages, and it was cat-themed with lots of cute kitty pictures. I think he knows me.  😄
[18:23] <KK> LOL. Ya think?
[18:23] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> I suspect he does
[18:23] <HoundMistress> Your knee bothering you a lot from the fall, KK?
[18:24] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> We had a Mother's Day lunch with DS, DIL, DIL's mom, DH, and DH's mom.
[18:25] * ~bynw waves
[18:25] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> (DD is working a double today, since Mother's Day is typically the busiest day of the year where she works.)
[18:25] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Hi Bynw
[18:25] <HoundMistress> Hi, bynw
[18:25] <~bynw> just got home
[18:25] <The_Bee> Sad news her: My neighbor Michael'scat Mickey died last weekend.  Mickey used to spend a lot of time visiting me.
[18:25] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> Hi Bynw
[18:25] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> @Evie.delacourt with the new arrival you will want to prqctice sitting on the floor and getting up as they always want you to play with them, on their level
[18:26] <HoundMistress> So sorry, Bee!
[18:26] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Awww, I'm sorry. I remember you talking about Mickey a lot.
[18:26] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Yeah, I remember you talking about Mickey's visits even after Melantha died
[18:26] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> Hi Bynw
[18:26] <The_Bee> His other cat,Stache, is very shy.
[18:26] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> @DerynifanK Working on it. At least my back is doing a lot better recently, so that might be possible
[18:26] <KK> No fall. Over-stressed right knee at Charlottesville airport on my way to LA. Stupid glider bench....  Continiung physio, but that was a month ago, and it's still not back to where it was. Going to see the orthopedist on Tuesday to see what's going on.
[18:27] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> @Bee sorry to hear about Mickey
[18:27] <HoundMistress> Hope it will settle back down!!
[18:27] <The_Bee> I'm glad Michael still has a cat.
[18:28] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> I hope there is no serious problem with the knee.
[18:28] <KK> I sure hope so. Balance is even worse than it was
[18:28] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> 😦
[18:28] <HoundMistress> Are you using a cane or walker, KK?
[18:28] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> Sorry about the balance KK
[18:29] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> Have to go do a quick job in the kitchen BRB
[18:29] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I would say we could just bring a chair litter to Derynicon and carry you everywhere, but you do NOT want to rely on my lifting abilities!  😄
[18:30] <HoundMistress> LOL, Evie! nor mine!
[18:30] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I'm afraid it would be more like "Here, sit in this padded wheelbarrow and we'll try to push you around without it tumping over."  😉
[18:30] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> Get one of the two wheeled versions
[18:30] <HoundMistress> LOL, Evie!
[18:31] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Evie! You said "tump"! Yay!!!!
[18:31] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Forty mumble something years of living in the South is rubbing off on me finally
[18:31] <KK> I'm using walker, have both 2 an 4-wheel versions.
[18:31] <HoundMistress> Just be steady!
[18:32] <The_Bee> any preference which?
[18:32] <HoundMistress> I liked my 4 wheeled ones.
[18:32] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> The 4 wheel is nice because the y usually have a seat and storage. Technically called a rollator
[18:33] <KK> Depends on where I'm going. 2-wheel version is easier to get it in and out of the car. It lives in the car.
[18:33] <HoundMistress> Yep, I miss that storage under the seat. Canes don't have storage. ;(
[18:34] <KK> Nope, and nowhere to put a purse.
[18:35] <KK> But you have to take the stuff out of the seat storage in order to fold it down.
[18:35] <The_Bee> I haven't used my e-trike since my accident two weeks ago.  It's in the hall downstairs.
[18:35] <HoundMistress> Yep, you do. I had people at work who became expert helping me with the walker.
[18:35] <KK> Yike, you had another accident? What happened?
[18:36] <HoundMistress> What happened Evie?
[18:36] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> Walkers are definitely better than canes for balance problems.
[18:37] <The_Bee> I didn't realize I was going over a curb.  It tipped over, andI had stitches.  It took me almmost seven hours to get home from the ER.
[18:37] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Nothing happened to me, Evie. Bee's the one who had the trike accident, if that's who you mean
[18:37] <KK> Definitely better.
[18:37] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Nothing happened to me, HM. Bee's the one who had the trike accident, if that's who you mean
[18:37] <The_Bee> I got a tetanus shot out of it.
[18:38] <HoundMistress> Yes, Bee.
[18:38] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Darn it, I just remembered I meant to look into seeing what boosters I need this weekend.
[18:39] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I guess that goes on tomorrow's to-do list
[18:39] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Since baby ejection day is Thursday
[18:39] <The_Bee> I still haven't gotten this year's flu or covid shots.
[18:39] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> Why do you need boosters? are you traveling?
[18:40] <KK> Just so she doesn't have to worry about them once the baby arrives.
[18:40] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> No, but my granddaughter is being born on Thursday, and if I'm going to be around her a lot in the next few months before she's old enough to be immunized against the usual childhood diseases, I'll want to be sure my own defenses are still strong.
[18:40] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Traveling, yes! Staunton, Virginia, baby!
[18:41] <HoundMistress> I'm planning to wear a mask while flying.
[18:41] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> When they go to day care or school kids become biological weapons. Bringing every bug in existence home.
[18:41] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> Babies have natural immunity from Mom up to the age of 6 mos I think.
[18:41] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> At least going to VA I shouldn't need typhoid and cholera shots like I needed last time I planned a big trip.  😉
[18:41] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> We used to call that the Disease of the Week Club
[18:42] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> https://tenor.com/view/snoopdog-snoop-dancing-absolutely-loveit-gif-19986922
[18:42] <HoundMistress> People at work bring it in from their kids.
[18:42] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> My kids came down with everything under the sun when they were wee tykes.  One of the hazards of daycare, unfortunately.
[18:42] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> And that was even with them being breastfed. Natural immunity only goes so far.
[18:43] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> My DD2 teaches preschool and she calls trem walking germ factories
[18:43] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> Same here. Except it was my wife who did the breastfeeding.
[18:43] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Yeah, it usually works that way, Strippy.  😄
[18:43] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Usually
[18:43] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> My DD2 teaches preschool and she calls them walking germ factories
[18:44] <The_Bee> I was born before the measles vaccine was created.  I'n not sure what illnesses ai had in the 1940s.
[18:44] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Though I saw an amusing video this week about a new dad who cut holes in his t-shirt to fit the bottle nipples through because he wanted the bonding experience of feeding his baby at his chest too.  😄
[18:44] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Polio and TB, wasn't it?
[18:44] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> LOL
[18:45] <KK> Polio vaccine was in the early 1950s.
[18:45] <The_Bee> MMR--measles, mumps and rubella(?)
[18:45] <HoundMistress> MMR for me. Mumps, Measles and Rubella
[18:45] <HoundMistress> I think. Born in the 50s
[18:46] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I used to be mad that I got the type of polio vaccine that was administered in water instead of the kind that came in a sugar cube, even though by the time I knew about it at all, I couldn't recall having received it at all since I was an infant at the time.  But child me thought it was unfair I didn't get a sugar cube.  LOL!
[18:46] <The_Bee> I don't know if I got MMR or not.  Salk for polio. smallpox vac
[18:46] <HoundMistress> Smallpox with the multitined needle.
[18:46] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> I'm pretty sure I remember getting the sugar cube when I was a wee one
[18:46] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Yeah, I still have that faint smallpox vaccine scar on my shoulder.
[18:46] <KK> Salk vaccine was a shot.
[18:46] <The_Bee> I had to get the smallpox vax several times before it took.
[18:48] <KK> I got my smallpox vaccination on hip, so no noticible scar.
[18:48] <The_Bee> I once read that Dr. Salk chose not to patent his vaccine.  He wanted it free to everyone.
[18:48] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> I saw that too
[18:48] <HoundMistress> I saw that, too, Bee. He wanted everyone to have it.
[18:48] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> Not too many like him around these days
[18:49] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> I do have a book question that I'm sure has been discussed before if I can ask.
[18:49] <HoundMistress> The pharmaceutical companies wouldn't allow it now.
[18:49] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Sure, Strippy
[18:49] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Even if it's been asked before, that doesn't mean the same people are here for this time around
[18:49] <KK> Query away, Strippy!
[18:49] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> The pharmaceutical companies are only interest in profits and will do anything to get more.
[18:50] <HoundMistress> Exactly, DFK
[18:50] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> In Deryni Rising, Kelson and Charissa both speak incantations to cast spells. Whenhe creates the ward, words came unbidden to his lips. In The Quest for Saint Camber Conall says his teacher didn't believe in trite rhythms. Do the words really have a meaning?
[18:50] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> Trite rhymes
[18:51] <HoundMistress> KK?
[18:51] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> Evil to the rescue
[18:51] <KK> BRB. I think my Walmart delivery has just arrived.
[18:51] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> Autocorrect sucks
[18:51] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> *Evie waits for the magistra to speak and refrains from throwing her hand in the air like Hermione Granger as a transfer student to the Schola from Hogwarts*
[18:52] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> I always assumed they were necessary for the spell
[18:52] * ~bynw will give his 2 cents worth on that one but will wait for KK to answer first
[18:52] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I think in Deryni Magic it's said or implied that they are more of an aid to focus than a true necessity
[18:52] <HoundMistress> I think I read somewhere that they are often used but not necessary. It's intent that counts.
[18:52] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Though I'm sure KK can and will clarify if that's the case, being the world author
[18:53] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Yeah.  Intent + Focus + Will
[18:54] <~bynw> ok Evie beat me to it. the "trite rhymes" are just a memory enhancer for the practitioner. they aren't needed.
[18:54] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Howdy!
[18:54] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Heya Marc!
[18:54] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> Hi Marc
[18:54] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Hi Marc!
[18:54] <HoundMistress> Hi, Marc
[18:54] <The_Bee> In Deryni Magic, KK pointed that in Evaines final spell, she simple stacked the ward cubes.
[18:54] <The_Bee> Hi Marc
[18:55] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> Thank you all for clarifying that for me.
[18:55] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> One way to look at it is that I, as a rank amateur artist/colorist, could do a decent portrait of a cat if I had a line drawing to trace and could color in the lines.  But if I tried to paint one without the aids, it wouldn't be a very good likeness of a cat.  A true master, on the other hand, doesn't need those aids.
[18:56] <HoundMistress> Good Evie, good explanation
[18:57] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> So I think in magical/psionic terms, it's similar to that.  It's possible without the various aids to focusing, but just a lot harder unless you've got the training and skill.
[18:57] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> I always assumed they were necessary for the practitioner to focus and produce the spellspell
[18:57] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> I would assume Charissa had loads of training
[18:58] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Probably.  But in that case there was also probably long tradition in play as well
[18:59] <The_Bee> Or maybe KK no longer felt the need for rhymed spells. =D
[18:59] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> @Evie.delacourt  and maybe not as effective.
[18:59] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> "Duel Arcane before a big audience for a kingdom? Better make it look good."
[18:59] <HoundMistress> Also it's very dramatic if you have onlookers, like at the Corination of Kelson
[18:59] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> If it's traditional to say an incantation in a formal ritual, then regardless of whether a certain practitioner really needs to do it or not, they might still choose to do so out of respect for that tradition
[19:00] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Whereas Conall was almost certainly less well trained than Charissa, but he also doesn't strike me as a particularly respectful sort.
[19:00] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> And Kelson is powerful enough to perform well in the duel either way
[19:01] <The_Bee> Like a traditional High Mass, for example
[19:01] <HoundMistress> And incantations come to hand for those "made" Dyrini. Darn can't spell Dyrenie
[19:01] <HoundMistress>  Deryni
[19:01] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> If I knew I'd be duel arcaning anytime soon, I'd prioritize working on voice projection and stage presence. The monsters can come second
[19:01] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Yeah, I can see that, Bee. It's just a different level of formality
[19:02] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> https://tenor.com/view/phantom-of-the-opera-gerard-butler-mask-phantom-poto-gif-10303185884092263842
[19:02] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> Conall had some training, but really didn't need it after the ceremony since the Haldane gifts came ready to use without  any training.
[19:02] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Sounds like a metaphor for the divine right of kings or some such anointing
[19:02] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> True, but given that he was dueling against Kelson, maybe he could have used an extra focal aid or two!
[19:03] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> But Kelson had both Haldane and Deryni pwoers which made him stronger I would think
[19:03] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Hadn't thought of it like that, but in a way it could be seen like that
[19:03] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Yup! Kelson had the edge in that regard
[19:03] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> But Kelson had both Haldane and Deryni powers which made him stronger I would think
[19:04] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> I know that the make-Deryni don't *need* training, but I expect having additional training on top of that would be helpful.
[19:04] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I think Conall made the mistake of thinking Kelson was only drawing on his Haldane powers and forgot Kelson was also half Deryni
[19:04] <HoundMistress> Especially for control
[19:05] <The_Bee> I've felt that Conall would have been better off if his parents had sent him like in Carthmoor, where he could have learned to appreciate is own inheritance.  There was simply no useful place for him at Rhemuth Castle.
[19:05] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I would think if you have someone who is both Haldane and Deryni, the natural gifts would amplify the assumed gifts/instantaneous "training," and any additional training of the regular sort would likely also be faster.
[19:05] <The_Bee> live in Carthmoor
[19:06] <HoundMistress> Yep, Conall was a distant "spare"
[19:07] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> It would certainly have kept him from preying on the young ladies in Rhemuth, though I would pity the steward at Carthmoor having to supervise him, since I get the feeling Conall wouldn't have been as respectful to a "lesser" person being in authority over him.
[19:07] <The_Bee> And he had  to contend with both Keson the heir apparent and the more naturally athletic Dhugal.
[19:08] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> You mean in the years just before Brion's death?
[19:08] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> Or maybe fostered for a while at another court.
[19:09] <CambersGhost> [discord] <jerusha2> Hi Everyone
[19:09] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> What would you say is kelson's best physical attribute? If he had to rely on something besides his words and magic, what would it be?
[19:09] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Jerusha! You made it!
[19:09] <HoundMistress> Hi, Jerusha
[19:09] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Hi!
[19:09] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> That might have helped. I think he wouldn't have disrespected another king
[19:09] <~bynw> Hi Jerusha
[19:09] <The_Bee> I think Conall would have learned respect if Nigel had given the steward permission to use corporal punishment.
[19:09] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Hi Jerusha
[19:09] <The_Bee> Hi Jerusha
[19:09] <CambersGhost> [discord] <jerusha2> Dinner and clean up took too long tonight
[19:09] <HoundMistress> Were they not allowed to punish Conall?
[19:09] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> He (usually) shows a fair bit of wisdom for a lad his age
[19:10] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> except when it comes to women...
[19:10] <HoundMistress> Kelson was brainier than Conall
[19:10] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> With occasional lapses, but that's understandable given his youth and the pressures on him
[19:10] <CambersGhost> [discord] <jerusha2> Or maybe his best physical attribute was Morgan
[19:10] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> You spelled Duncan wrong, Jerusha
[19:10] <The_Bee> Did  we ever see any of Nigel's sons being punished?
[19:10] <HoundMistress> Alaric would have died for Kelson if he needed to
[19:11] <KK> I'm back. Had to put the frozen stuff in the freezer.
[19:11] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Yes, Nigel threatened to thrash them at one point for fighting with each other
[19:11] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Yeah, we did see Conall get punished.
[19:11] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Nigel got punished. Don't know that any others did anything wroung.
[19:11] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> ACK
[19:11] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> ACK
[19:11] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> ACK
[19:11] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> ACK
[19:11] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> ACK
[19:11] <HoundMistress> But that just probably made Conall angrier
[19:11] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> TM: Martian much?
[19:12] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> CONALL got punished. I Dozed off for a bit and apparently I'm not fully rebooted.
[19:12] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Well, if Kelson were a physical threat, he could solve the stories himself, I guess 😆
[19:12] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Well, if Kelson were a physical threat, he could solve the stories all by himself, I guess 😆
[19:12] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Conall was somewhat mollified once he realized his younger brothers were being little pains in the butt due to jealousy
[19:12] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> It's better to share the load of useful attributes in an ensemble cast 👍
[19:12] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> But yeah, he had to have his ego stroked before he could get his temper under control
[19:13] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Nah, he was dead by that time. 😉
[19:13] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Sounds like this Connell guy needs a detention.
[19:13] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Let's give KK a moment to catch up with the chat.  😄
[19:13] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Marc, we gotta get you the Kelson trilogy ASAP
[19:13] <KK> I'm caught up.
[19:14] <CambersGhost> [discord] <jerusha2> And now we pause for a word from our Queen of Stories
[19:14] <The_Bee> Conall may have felt, rightly or wrongly, that his father cared more about Kelson than his own son.
[19:15] <HoundMistress> Conall was only out for Conall and his dad & Kelson were in the way.
[19:15] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> "Kelson had both Haldane and Deryni powers which made him stronger" That wasn't stated that I remember. It's also not necessarily so, if everything he knew about Derynitarily he could already do Haldanely.
[19:15] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I think Conall was just having a bad case of cousin rivalry. It was one thing for Brion to be King--he was a grown man--but having his agemate suddenly be his overlord was a bit much for his competitiveness to handle.
[19:15] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Or Conall was just a bad egg.
[19:16] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Or Conall just had the author against him!
[19:16] <HoundMistress> LOL! Well, there have to be SOME villains.
[19:16] <The_Bee> Jasta elf/Sharon implied Conall's jealousy in her fanfic.
[19:16] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> Every story needs villains!
[19:16] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I had a little more sympathy for Conall before I read the trilogy again more closely and saw what he was doing with his assumed powers, and then I was like "Nah, you deserve everything you got!"
[19:16] <KK> Yes, she did. Miss her.
[19:17] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Hrm, there can be "man against nature" stories, where there's not an animate villain ...
[19:17] <The_Bee> KK could have made either Conall or Kelson the villain.
[19:17] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Yeah, but then I don't think Morgan and Duncan would be helping out the villain, so the story would sort of fall apart at that point
[19:17] <KK> True. But human struggles are far more interesting.
[19:18] <CambersGhost> [discord] <jerusha2> Conall may have realized what might have been if Kelson had  never been born
[19:18] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> If you check the old "Deryni Archives" magazine—#2 or #3, I think—KK akk but says that Conall is going to be a villain.
[19:18] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I really need to get my hands on those zines
[19:18] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> It's high fantasy, so there kind of has to be A Good Guy (yay) and A Bad Guy (boo hiss).
[19:18] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> A good chunk of QfSC turned into that, and it was certainly fun to read.
[19:19] <CambersGhost> [discord] <marc_du_temple> Amen
[19:19] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> If you check the old "Deryni Archives" magazine—#2 or #3, I think—KK all but says that Conall is going to be a villain.
[19:19] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Nezz: what"that"? Meaning " if Kelson had  never been born"
[19:19] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I didn't think y'all had enough villains to boo, so in my last story I gave you four....  😄
[19:19] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> ?
[19:20] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> And then there's Two Kingdoms ...
[19:20] <KK> Bynw, I wonder if it would be practiclalto post Deryni Archives on the website.
[19:20] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Dang, I thought I'd hit "Reply," sorry. I meant that part of QfSC was the Man-against-Nature plot. Not all of it, but a chunk.
[19:20] <The_Bee> I've fantasized an alternate realiy in which Conall is saved from villainy.
[19:20] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> ya want villains, or at least grey folks, ol' Doc M got ya covered!
[19:20] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Ooh! OOH!  YES!  DA on the forum!  *pants like an excited puppy*
[19:21] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> I think we have 3 of the zines on the forum: that's where I read about that.
[19:21] <CambersGhost> [discord] <jerusha2> Bynw has already done a bit of that?
[19:21] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> !!!
[19:21] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Where are they?
[19:21] <KK> I have a complete set, and they aren't doing anything sitting in a fie box.
[19:21] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> OOH!  Bring 'em to Derynicon
[19:21] <HoundMistress> Load 'em up
[19:21] <KK> GOOD IDEA!
[19:22] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Hint: do not try to do a Forum search for "deryni archives". It treats it as "OR" and hits every occurrence of "deryni" ...
[19:22] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Well now I need to buy a portable scanner...
[19:22] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Watch Evie speed read as if her salvation is depending on how fast she can get through the stack.  LOL!
[19:22] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Actually I take that back: my ipad is a portable scanner. 🙂
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[19:23] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I was going to say, most phones/tablets can do that now
[19:23] <CambersGhost> [discord] <jerusha2> There are a lot of stories there
[19:23] <~bynw> i have to get some time to scan more of Deryni Archives again
[19:23] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> At least if you have enough memory for that many pages
[19:23] <KK> There's some nice Deryni artwork, too.
[19:23] <The_Bee46> How hard would it be to post the zines on the website?
[19:23] <CambersGhost> [discord] <jerusha2> All of the shields
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[19:23] <~bynw> some are already there
[19:24] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> More to read without the time.
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[19:25] * Bee is suffering from Dissociative Identity Disorder.
[19:25] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> KK, did you have heraldic devices created for the other Eleven Kingdoms?  We had a member a while back who created some based on the Codex descriptions on the Hort of Orsal's arms and a few others, and then just created a few more based on what was known of each kingdom, but I didn't know if you might have created official ones at some point.
[19:25] <~bynw> https://rhemuthcastle.com/index.php/board,74.0.html  here is where Vol 1,2, and 3 are located
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[19:33] <~bynw> Hi lesliewilliams806
[19:33] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Hi Leslie
[19:33] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Leslie! You made it!
[19:33] <Bee> HI Lesliwilliams
[19:33] <~bynw> glad you could slip in
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[19:33] <lesliewilliams806> I'm so glad to find yall
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[19:34] <HoundMistress> Got dropped for some reason.
[19:34] <Bee> Welcome!
[19:34] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> KK, Leslie just barely joined the forum, like 10 minutes ago.
[19:35] <Bee> Hit the wrong key and you can get kicked out
[19:35] <HoundMistress> That was it, Bee
[19:37] <Bee> My traditional question for newbies, Leslie:  Who's your favorite Deryni-books character?
[19:37] <lesliewilliams806> Camber or Rhys
[19:37] <CambersGhost> [discord] <jerusha2> In am going to toddle off.  Have a good week, everyone!
[19:37] <lesliewilliams806> Have a great night
[19:37] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Good to see you, Jerusha
[19:37] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> cya Jerusha
[19:37] <Bee> bye Jerusha. Good week
[19:37] <~bynw> cya Jerusha
[19:37] <KK> Bye, Jerusha.
[19:37] <HoundMistress> Bye, Jerusha! Have a good week!
[19:38] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Ah, I think Rhys might be one of DesertRose's favorites also, so she'll be glad to meet you when she returns
[19:38] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> I think everyone loves Rhys
[19:38] * ~bynw is going to have to reboot the chat server later so the security cert updates
[19:38] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> I mean, what's not to love?
[19:38] <lesliewilliams806> I am a sucker for Healers and redheads
[19:38] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> He's one of my favorites from that century, though I'm a lot more familiar with Kelson's era
[19:38] <HoundMistress> Rhys is very lovable.
[19:38] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Hmm, jerusha2 and lesliewilliams806 not in the same chat at the same time ... suspicious ... 🙂
[19:39] <HoundMistress> He's my pre-Kelson character
[19:39] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> They were here at the same time...briefly....
[19:39] <lesliewilliams806> Just don't let him mix your drinks😂
[19:39] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> LOL
[19:39] <Bee> MY Deryni fave is Javan; Peregrine in the Adept books.
[19:40] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Yeah, I loved Javan.  Darn you, KK!
[19:40] <KK> Peregy
[19:40] <HoundMistress> Can't remember the main character's name in the Adept series, but he is mine there.
[19:40] <~bynw> Javan would have been an awesome king had he been allowed to be one
[19:40] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> KK, does it give you great joy when your fans curse you? Because they love your characters so much and you were mean to them?
[19:40] <lesliewilliams806> Its been so long since I've gabbed with fellow Deryni fans. Trying to remember
[19:40] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> You either do diabolical things to my favorite characters, or you stick them in cassocks and make them off limits.  Why do I even love you?  😉
[19:40] <KK> Peregrin is also one of my favorites.
[19:41] <lesliewilliams806> Speaking of cassocks and off limits, does anyone remember Father Alvido in the TV series Shogun? YUm
[19:41] <~bynw> talking just the Adept ... Peregrin is the best
[19:41] * ~bynw has that on MP4
[19:42] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Yeah, I should reread the Adept books. Last I checked, you hadn't stuffed Peregrin into a cassock, and even if you did, he'd probably be Anglican.  😄
[19:42] <KK> If my stories make you laugh or cry, then I've one my job. Sometimes I cry too.
[19:42] <HoundMistress> Yes, he just died. Richard Chamberlain
[19:42] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I was about to ask if that was Richard Chamberlain's character. I didn't see the series, but I do remember RC
[19:42] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> A few weeks ago, Laurna and I were working on a scene and we both ended up just bawling.
[19:42] <lesliewilliams806> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2ub3icbX/image.png
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[19:43] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I got an error message, Leslie
[19:43] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> That gives an error on Discord side, LW.
[19:43] <lesliewilliams806> i'm sorry
[19:43] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Evie is with me on Discord
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[19:43] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> But I can look up the character later
[19:43] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> I thought that at first, but then I remembered that RC was a priest in the Thornbirds, but I don't think he waas in Shogun
[19:43] <~bynw> yeah that image didnt come across ...
[19:43] * web41 is now known as KK
[19:43] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Hi web41, whoever you are
[19:43] <~bynw> wb KK
[19:44] <KK> Sorry, I hit the wrong key.
[19:44] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> !
[19:44] <Bee> Rei KK
[19:44] <HoundMistress> I think you are right, stnezz. RC was a ships captain in Shogun.
[19:44] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> it happens
[19:44] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I think he was in both, Nezz, though I could be mistaken since I never saw either
[19:44] <lesliewilliams806> Hiya KK!
[19:44] <HoundMistress> He was in both
[19:44] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> I thought it was a joke about "hitting the wrong key"!
[19:44] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> He was in both, just not not a priest in Shogun. He was a sailor. Or something like that.
[19:44] <~bynw> nope dont hit the wrong key
[19:45] <Bee> I remember Richard Chamberlain as Doctor Kildare.
[19:45] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> *Evie looks all over her keyboard for the key that is labeled "Wrong"*
[19:45] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Can you press the Any key?
[19:45] * ~bynw has hit the wrong key many years ago and caused the server to go offline
[19:45] * CambersGhost [discord] <stnezz> points to the *Wrong Key* on the keyboard._ Don't press this one!
[19:45] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Ack!
[19:45] <lesliewilliams806> CHamberlain was Captain John Blackthorne
[19:45] <KK> RC was the priest in Thornbirds.
[19:45] <lesliewilliams806> He was great in that
[19:46] <lesliewilliams806> ***sob***
[19:46] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I used to have a keyboard that had an extraneous key that didn't do anything, apparently  just for decoration or symmetry.  I labeled mine as "Thermonuclear Detonator."
[19:46] <Bee> LOL!
[19:46] <HoundMistress> LOL, Evie!
[19:46] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmyyR22RLGk
[19:46] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Daffy: "NO NO NO NO NO Don't push the WED one! Never push the WED one!"
[19:46] <lesliewilliams806> the key of death lol
[19:47] * ~bynw presses the red candy like button
[19:47] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> https://tenor.com/view/junevi-gif-18033834710861070581 embed: https://tenor.com/view/junevi-gif-18033834710861070581
[19:47] <lesliewilliams806> I have a laptop keyboard that is so sensitive that I have to use dictation instead of typing
[19:47] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> That sounds like it would be some lethal key only a trained Deryni bard could play in
[19:47] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Bynw and I think alike. 🙂
[19:47] <Bee> Someone once said the spacebar should be labeled the ANY KEY.
[19:48] <~bynw> "Stimpy you fool!"
[19:48] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> "you fat, bloated eediot!"
[19:48] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> I added labels like "Ejector Seat" and "Machine Guns" to extra buttons in my car.
[19:48] <KK> I've got some key stickers that do that: like, launch arheads, spray oil, eject, and the like. I'm going to send them to Cameron.
[19:48] <~bynw> that's awesome
[19:49] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Years ago, I was typing at the desktop computer and my window kept disappearing. I thought the computer had a virus, but after a few moments I noticed the window just kept getting minimized for some reason. Eventually I noticed the cat paw that kept depressing the Esc key right before it happened, and found Gigi watching my reaction....
[19:49] <HoundMistress> I always wanted one of those dashboard ray gun sounds.
[19:49] <lesliewilliams806> Sounds like something M would design
[19:49] <KK> LOL. Many the cat....
[19:49] <HoundMistress> Pew, pew, pewpew.
[19:49] <KK> Yep.
[19:50] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Paw, paw, pawpaw
[19:50] <KK> That, too.
[19:50] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> I  Think I am going to head out as I have to do my exercises. Everyone have a good week.
[19:50] <HoundMistress> LOL!
[19:50] <HoundMistress> Have a good week, DFK
[19:50] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Good grief! Something has just somehow clambered onto my roof, and it sounds like a herd of bison is up there!
[19:50] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Have a great week, DFK 🙂
[19:50] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Bye, DFK
[19:50] <lesliewilliams806>  i'm sorry, th
[19:50] <~bynw> cya DFK
[19:51] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Evie, maybe you're  having an earthquake. 🙂
[19:51] <lesliewilliams806> I"m sorry, that's agent Q
[19:51] <lesliewilliams806> have a good night
[19:51] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> The oil spray?
[19:51] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Maybe, if it's an unusually loud and curiously non-moving one!
[19:51] <CambersGhost> [discord] <derynifank> Nite all.
[19:51] <Bee> bye dfk
[19:51] <KK> I think I'll also head out. Busy days coming up.
[19:51] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> Yesssss
[19:51] <HoundMistress> I think I'm going to go and take Quanah outside on his leash which will make his day. Love y'all! Have a great week!!
[19:51] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Yay
[19:51] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> *grabby hands*
[19:52] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> night HM
[19:52] <Bee> Have good week, KK.  Thanks for coming.
[19:52] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Cya KK, have a wonderful week
[19:52] <CambersGhost> [discord] <tm_9039> Critters can sound remarkably loud in theceiling, at least. I had mice but I would have sworn they were raccoons.
[19:52] <~bynw> have a good night and week KK
[19:52] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I'll stick around a bit longer.  I'm still full from lunch. LOL!
[19:52] <Bee> scritches to Daphne
[19:52] <HoundMistress> I'll hang out but taking Q out for a bit.
[19:52] * KK steps onto her Portal, waves goodnight, and disappears in a shower of purple sparkles.
[19:52] <lesliewilliams806> wonderful to chat, II
[19:52] <lesliewilliams806> KK
[19:53] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> Purple sparkles!
[19:53] <KK> See you guys next week!
[19:53] <CambersGhost> [discord] <stnezz> cya KK 🙂
[19:53] <KK> Nighters.
[19:53] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> See you later!
[19:53] <CambersGhost> [discord] <strippy69> Yes! Thanks!
[19:53] <CambersGhost> [discord] <evie.delacourt> I"ll be a grandma by next weekend
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