KKChat -- 7 May 2006

[Bynw]

[17:25] * badzis has joined #Deryni_Destinations
[17:25] <DeryniBot> The smells from the kitchen of Wrengl brings badzis
into the chat.
[17:25] <Mistyck> kk!
[17:25] <jp> Gotta put the trash out and go to bed, try french mustard
with the venison
[17:25] <Mistyck> hiyas!
[17:25] <the_Bee> i think of lemon as a whete-meat or fish kind of
thing
[17:25] <Bynw> Hmmm your nick is messed up Katherine ... someone WAS
using your computer a few weeks ago
[17:25] <badzis> Hi, folks!
[17:25] <Bynw> KK ... type /nick KK
[17:25] <Wrengl> indeed
[17:25] <slobbit> hi kk
[17:25] <Wrengl> hi katherine
[17:26] <jemler> Hello
[17:26] * badzis is now known as KK
[17:26] <Mistyck>
[17:26] <jp> badzis is KK?
[17:26] <Samuel> hello kk
[17:26] * Bynw sets mode: +q KK
[17:26] <Bynw> much better
[17:26] <the_Bee> hi kk
[17:26] <KK> How'd I get to be badzis?
[17:26] <Mistyck> Your secret identity has been revealed KK
[17:26] <Bynw> someone used your computer
[17:26] <Wrengl> someone must have used your computer, kk
[17:26] <jemler> and you didn't need a phone booth!
[17:27] <jp> I always suspected it was her!
[17:27] <Wrengl> badzis arrived here one day and disappeared without
saying anything
[17:27] <KK> Scott uses my computer all the time--but he wouldn't have
been on mIRC; doesn't know how.
[17:27] <Bynw> someone did
[17:27] <Wrengl> yup
[17:27] <the_Bee> one of the cats?
[17:27] <Mistyck> yep
[17:27] <Wrengl> rd and i were here when it happened
[17:27] <Bynw> and came in here, changed to "badzis" and left
[17:27] <Mistyck> it was at 12:00 on a Sat I think
[17:28] <RainbowDragon> yep
[17:28] <kelric> good. the arrival of the boss
[17:28] <Wrengl> tee hee
[17:28] <Wrengl> how was your trip katherine?
[17:28] <Mistyck> how was your week Katherine?
[17:29] <KK> My two week trip was great!
[17:29] <RainbowDragon> how have you been lo these many weeks?
[17:29] <jemler> Let her catch her breath!
[17:29] * Martine has joined #Deryni_Destinations
[17:29] <DeryniBot> Hi there Martine! Welcome to the chat.
[17:29] <Mistyck> hiyas Martine
[17:29] <Wrengl> hi martine
[17:29] <Martine> Hi everyone!
[17:29] <the_Bee> hi martine
[17:29] * Wrengl puts out a platter of hummus, bowls of eggplant salad,
babaganush, tabbouleh, taziki, a plate of kibbeh, a basket of warm pita
bread and pita wedges, extra virgin olive oil, mixed olives, shredded
lettuce, tomatoes, tahini sauce
[17:29] * Wrengl puts out kegs of hard cider, beer, brown ale, and tubs
of regular and diet sodas
[17:29] <Bynw> hello mistress of tesseracts
[17:29] <KK> Saw both parental units, sister, and niece.
[17:29] <Martine> lol!
[17:29] <Mistyck> cool!
[17:29] <Wrengl> great
[17:30] <Wrengl> and i presume the retreat
[17:30] <kelric> were you out in the SF area these last 2 weeks KK?
[17:30] <KK> Yep. And we prayed for our health, Wrengl.
[17:30] <Martine> So it was a good trip then?
[17:30] <the_Bee> I hear you've found another house to fix up
[17:30] <KK> Maybe.
[17:30] <KK> Yes, good trip.
[17:30] <KK> Your health, Wrengl.
[17:30] <kelric> at least now I'm closer to Darkover than I used to be.
[17:31] <Mistyck>
[17:31] <kelric> maybe I'll actually GET there this year
[17:31] <Mistyck> that would be awesome kelric
[17:31] <the_Bee> where is your grad school?
[17:31] <Wrengl> thanks, katherine, I really appreciate all the prayers
from everyone
[17:32] <kelric> Dominican University in River Forest Illinois.
[17:32] <Samuel> better hurry Kelric. with the attendance the way it's
been the last few years I don't see Darkover lasting much longer.
[17:32] <KK> Great progress on the house while I was gone. I'd say
we're about 98-99% fiished now. Sanded the great hall floor on
Thursday and Friday; more sanding tomorrow, then new varnish. We
discovered that it's about 400 year-old oak!
[17:32] <Martine> wow!!!!!!
[17:32] <slobbit> nice
[17:32] <Mistyck> awesome kk!!
[17:32] <kelric> nice
[17:33] <Martine> Do you think it was reused from the former Georgian
house?
[17:33] <the_Bee> so you can hold druid rituals?
[17:33] <Martine> Or from something else entirely?
[17:33] <KK> No, I think it was probably about 200 years old when it
was cut....
[17:33] <Wrengl> that is awesome, katherine
[17:33] <jp> Heard you might move to Scotland?
[17:34] <Martine> Those must have been some good auld oak trees!
[17:34] <the_Bee> are we talking about the house you've been living in
for years? or the new place?
[17:35] <jp> Impressive cover for Childe Morgan
[17:37] <Martine> LOL yeah, jp. Katherine, I think we're going to have
to renovate Rhemuth Castle's great hall again to fit THAT
architecture... <grin>
[17:37] <KK> No new place yet. We go on the market in a couple or
three weeks.
[17:38] <KK> The cover will catch eyes, even if there no such throne in
Rhemuth....
[17:38] <Wrengl> it IS eye catching
[17:38] <Martine> And that's really the point! It is striking. Made me
giggle to think of shoe-horning it in the floor plans.
[17:39] <Wrengl> katherine, did you read about the american who has
been posing as the earl of buckingham for years, even has a british
passport!
[17:39] <KK> A unique perspective from our Chief Architect! LOL
[17:39] <Wrengl> lol
[17:39] <KK> Earl of Buckingham?! No....
[17:39] <kelric> link for cover please
[17:39] <Wrengl> yup
[17:39] <Martine> www.deryni.net
[17:40] <Martine> It's on the home page there; scroll down a bit.
[17:40] <Wrengl> he took an identity based on a baby named christopher
buckingham who died at eight months
[17:40] <kelric> oh my lord.
[17:40] <Wrengl> of course the title has been extinct for centuries
[17:40] <Wrengl> he's even married with a couple of kids
[17:41] <Mistyck> awesome cover art!
[17:41] <KK> Being squirrely doesn't preclude
reproducing--unfortunately.
[17:41] <jp> Does a date exist for a paperback of the updated Deryni
Rising?
[17:41] <Wrengl> indeed katherine
[17:41] <KK> Er--the whole point was do finally do a hardcover. I
hadn't thought to ask.
[17:42] <KK> to do....
[17:42] <RainbowDragon> paperbacks typically come out 6 to 9 months
after the release of the hardback
[17:42] <jemler> KK. Is the cover supposed to be Alaric being
introduced to King Brion?
[17:43] <jemler> KK. Is the cover supposed to be Alaric being
introduced to
[17:43] <jemler> Alaric meeting King Brion?
[17:43] <jp> By all means keep it in hardcover, but some folks are a
bit weird and like to buy paperbacks from my shop
[17:43] <jemler> Alaric meeting Brion?
[17:44] <jemler> Sorry about the stuttering folks!
[17:44] <Bynw> jemler ... you are repeating ... or i'm seeing double
[17:44] <KK> Alaric meeting Donal, being presented at court with his
parents.
[17:44] <RainbowDragon> paperbacks are less expensive, less heavy and
smaller, jp
[17:44] <jemler> Oh ok. I like the lion Throne
[17:45] <Martine> But don't last nearly as long, RD. I've been through
three paperback copies of my favorite books! Still trying to find
out-of-print hardcovers to replace them.
[17:45] <jp> but, like album covers, it's a tactile thing with
hardbacks and thay last longer
[17:45] <the_Bee> who did the cover art?
[17:46] <kelric> heh. for me because of sp[ace isasues in my car, I
was forced to leave almost my whole book library in california for now.
[17:46] <kelric> I've got my codex 2 and my ebook reader as my reading
material
[17:46] <jemler> They read in California?
[17:47] <Martine> lol!
[17:47] <jp> great to see you again KK (badzis) just sold my house, how
much are you asking for the castle
[17:47] <Martine> I did a worse sin, Kelric. I had to put half my books
in storage for space reasons!
[17:47] <jemler> I thought they just tanned!
[17:47] <kelric> which makes me wish that KK's books were available in
ebook format.
[17:47] <kelric> hint hint
[17:47] <jemler> kelric, you forgot to wink
[17:48] <jp> night all, will have to check the propety pages for castle
prices
[17:48] * jp Quit
[17:48] * jp has left IRC
[17:49] <kelric> hehe
[17:49] <Martine> Missed him!
[17:49] <Wrengl> everyone missed jp
[17:49] <Martine> Katherine, found a terrific book on sale at the
Cloisters when I was doing a photography assignment there.
"Architecture of the Middle Ages" by Laule, Toman and Bednorz.
[17:49] <kelric> he pulled a dan
[17:50] <jemler> what's "a dan"?
[17:50] * Samuel will have to remember to aim just a bit to the left
next time.
[17:50] <Martine> Coffee-table sized. Haven't even started reading much
of it yet - for once I bought it for the pictures! <lol>
[17:50] <kelric> or was it a sam. I can't remember who the speedy
exiter was
[17:50] <Martine> They give a far better idea of the space and forms
than anything else I've seen.
[17:50] <jemler> You found a book the size of a coffee table?
[17:50] <the_Bee> sam
[17:50] <Martine> A small coffee table ;-)
[17:51] <Martine> It's probably 12x16"
[17:51] <the_Bee> a tea-tray
[17:51] <Martine> The Cloisters museum in NYC has a heavenly bookshop
:-)
[17:52] <Harvey> Do they have any books smaller than 12x16?
[17:52] <Martine> And the museum is terrific too! I've got some of my
"homework" photo essay pictures at
http://www.photo.net/photos/martinelynch
[17:52] <Martine> A few, harvey. They even have some in paperback.
[17:53] <Harvey> 12x16 is an awkward size for a paperback...
[17:53] <the_Bee> what topics?
[17:53] <Martine> mostly medieval art, but a good selection on medieval
sociology and a few on general art.
[17:53] <KK> Sprry, folks, I was printing out a document for Scott, and
had to convert a file.
[17:53] <KK> Sorry
[17:54] <Martine> LOL! Figures that's when I'd be gushing about my new
medieval architecture book!
[17:54] <KK> It sounds great!
[17:55] <jemler> I was just checking out http://www.metmuseum.org
[17:55] <Martine> The photos in it are fabulous - so comprehensive that
they're actually better than reading text.
[17:55] * slobbit is now known as slobbit-motorcycle
[17:55] <Martine> Almost as good as being there :-)
[17:55] <slobbit-motorcycle> brb
[17:55] <jemler> A picture's worth a thousand words.
[17:56] <KK> Re e-books--I've never been able to get enthusiastic about
them. I know it saves space, but they'll never replace books--at least
fiction. Might be ok for reference-type books.
[17:56] <Martine> Yeah, jemler, they have a section on the Cloisters on
that web site.
[17:57] <Harvey> E-books are just another way to get paid for work
you've already done.
[17:57] <Martine> lol harvey!
[17:58] <the_Bee> Stephen King had a pretty good defense of ebooks. It
shouldn'tmatter in what form a creative work is published
[17:59] <KK> Probably true, but I still like real books.
[18:00] <Martine> paper is easier on the eyes in mass quantities :-)
[18:00] <the_Bee> me too. I can curl up in my comfy chair to read them
[18:00] <KK> Absolutely.
[18:00] <Bynw> i have several gaming books as ebooks ... they are
convient on my puter but nothing beats holding the book in your hand
[18:00] <jemler> In my books, all my favorite passages are marked.
[18:01] <Wrengl> i prefer real books
[18:01] <Mistyck> same here
[18:01] <Mistyck> can take it anywhere
[18:01] <KK> Marking is one advantage; post-it flags are another.
[18:01] <Wrengl> yup
[18:01] <jemler> One good thing about e-books, is they don't take up
space on your shelf!
[18:02] <Wrengl> lol
[18:02] <kelric> heh. for me it's more the space issue, not that I
haven't ALREADY bought copies of all the KK books and wouldn't buy them
[18:02] <Harvey> I prefer real books. I don't like to read e-books.
(I read 3 to find out, and didn't like it.)
[18:02] <Wrengl> i have never read an ebook
[18:02] <Wrengl> i want to be able to take a book to bed with me
[18:02] <kelric> as these guys know I literally moved from sf to
chicago last weekend and didnt' have room in my car for a lot of
physical books
[18:02] <jemler> I've read about a dozen.
[18:02] <Wrengl> or to chemo
[18:03] <KK> But, I <like> rows of books on the shelves! And when that
first book arrived through the post, back in 1970, it just wouldn't
have been the same if it had been a CD, or a gizmo that looks like a
UPS tracking pad!
[18:03] <Harvey> But, I was also talking to another author who said
that while the money is small, it's steady. His theory was that right
now the people who read e-books have less quality books to choose
between, so the competition is less.
[18:03] <Mistyck> yep
[18:03] <jemler> True. But aren't you judging an e-book by its cover?
[18:03] <Harvey> Later, there will be more e-books available (all the
out-of-print stuff). But, he thought that right now it's a less
competitive field.
[18:04] <Harvey> I found that interesting since the e-books people seem
to have as one of their main preaching points that they have more books
availble than print.
[18:04] <kelric> heh. when I get done with my grad school then I'll be
able to buy a house and get shelf space for my real books (which are
all in packing boxes).
[18:05] <Wrengl> all of my military history books are in boxes in
storage
[18:05] <Wrengl>
[18:05] <KK> Could be; great for getting OP books back into print, I
suppose. But I wouldn't want first publication in E-format.
[18:05] <Wrengl> nor would i
[18:05] <Martine> At any one given time in active print, they may be
right, harvey.
[18:05] <Harvey> no.
[18:05] <Harvey> Not first publication.
[18:06] <kelric> Nor would I.
[18:06] <jemler> How would you autograph it?
[18:06] <Harvey> I think they may be right in the future as more stuff
gets loaded as e-books.
[18:06] <kelric> I like to buy my books first in HB.
[18:06] <Wrengl> depends on the author
[18:06] <Harvey> But, too much of what I see as e-books is from
unrecognized names, and from the description I wouldn't have bought it
in print.
[18:06] <Wrengl> always buy katherine in hardback
[18:07] <Wrengl> and sneaky pie brown
[18:07] <Harvey> Of course, I'm the guy that has something like 10,000
books too.
[18:07] <kelric> 60% of the stuff in my ebook I got from the Baen free
CDs. the rest of it is all fanfictions that I've converted to the
ebook format
[18:07] <jemler> How did you convert them? What program did you use?
[18:07] <kelric> though I'd LOVE to complete a collection of Honor
Harrington hardbacks. though THAT's going to be hard
[18:07] <KK> Wrengl, what are your books doing in storage? Shortage of
shelving in your house?
[18:07] <Harvey> Which are you looking for Kelric?
[18:08] <Wrengl> no, in a storage facility
[18:08] <kelric> Lesse. I have On Basilisk Station, Ashes of Victory,
War of Honor and At All Costs in Hardback.
[18:08] <Wrengl> which means i can't get to any of my battle of britan
or army of northern virginia books
[18:09] <Wrengl> unless they are recent
[18:09] <Harvey> OK. I'll keep a look out for any others.
[18:09] <Wrengl> we did not have room in the bronx and then ran out of
room here
[18:09] <kelric> For the ebookwise ebook I purchased you can load books
onto it from their website via a phone line, or you can buy their off
site library program and download books (or create your own from other
formats) to your computer and then use a usb cable to transfer them to
the book.
[18:09] <KK> Why are they in a storage unit, though? It was bad enough
having boxes of books stored in the dining room, before we started the
restoration.
[18:09] <jemler> Oh KK. I was told you wanted to be told about errors
in Codex.
[18:10] <Wrengl> i don't have room in the house!
[18:10] <KK> Hmmm, sounds like a bigger house is in the cards for you,
Pat!
[18:10] <Wrengl> actually we have just never gotten the shelves of
fabric from the sitting room up to the studio
[18:10] <Wrengl> so that we can put the book shelves from ikea that i
bought in 2001 together
[18:10] <Martine> When Pat trades up, I'll take one the size of hers!
<g>
[18:10] <KK> Codex errors--you mean, like the one about Marie's cause
of death? Haven't a clue where he got that.
[18:11] <Wrengl> we already HAVE 15 rooms
[18:11] <jemler> No, this was under Camberian Council. It never
mentioned that Kelson was offered a seat and turned it down.
[18:11] <Harvey> I got the bookcases from Ikea with the shelf
extensions on top, Wrengl, and they have been amazing to get things
organized.
[18:11] <Harvey> Of course, I have the hardcovers double-shelved, which
doesn't look as good.
[18:11] <KK> Then, some sorting and reorganizing is in order, I
suspect. Which is what I was doing all day today.
[18:11] <Wrengl> oh i should be able to get the military history into
the ones we have
[18:12] <Martine> Purging can be good for the soul, right, Katherine?
:-)
[18:12] * Bynw is now known as Bynw-brb
[18:12] <Wrengl> we have ten stuffed book cases in the house, taller
than me which, i admit is not hard
[18:12] <Martine> With our whopping 800 sq ft house, purging is a
bi-monthly chore :-P
[18:12] <KK> Actually, yes. And I get to share things with friends, as
I recycle some things.
[18:12] <Wrengl> and more books in boxes on shelves in the house
[18:13] <Wrengl> i try to share some of the fiction
[18:13] <Harvey> I have 8-foot shelves (taller than Wrengl)
[18:13] <Wrengl> and i finally finished Fiery Cross this week
[18:13] <Wrengl> ours are seven feet high, i think
[18:13] <the_Bee> reading it or writing it?
[18:13] <Wrengl> lol
[18:13] <Wrengl> reading it, bee
[18:14] <Wrengl> took me three years
[18:14] <Wrengl> i found much of it boring
[18:14] <Harvey> If you have the Ikea ones, Wrengl, they make a
shel-extension to put on top which gives you one more shelf and uses
more vertical space. (This is the Billy style.)
[18:14] <Wrengl> not as good as the books before it
[18:14] <the_Bee> who did write it?
[18:14] <Wrengl> it is billy style that i have
[18:14] <Harvey> It's another $30 or so, but worth it for the extra
shelf (if you have the vertical space in the room where they live).
[18:15] <Wrengl> diane gabalon (sp)
[18:15] <Harvey> Plus, the boxes are small enough to bring home in the
car.
[18:15] <the_Bee> oh yes. the time-traveling wife
[18:15] <Wrengl> oh we have very high ceilings
[18:15] <Wrengl> we live in a turn of the 20th century brownstone
[18:15] <Wrengl> yes bee
[18:16] <Wrengl> and i have doors for two of the book cases, harvey
[18:16] <Wrengl> since some of the raf and army of northern virginia
books are quite old and rare
[18:16] <Harvey> Actually only $20
[18:16] <Harvey>
http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10103&storeId=12&langId=-1&productId=11358
[18:16] <KK> Fiery Cross was not her best. I, too, found some of it
plodding.
[18:16] <Wrengl> some of the rfc books are also
[18:16] <Harvey> I haven't seen doors for the extensions though, so it
would detract from the appearance a bit.
[18:17] <Wrengl> true
[18:17] <Wrengl> although i could probably do extensions for the units
without doors
[18:17] <Harvey> Maybe $25 depending on the color and width of your
shelves.
[18:17] <KK> Yikes, it's after midnight, folks. Gotta dash. Hope to
check in again next week.
[18:17] <kelric> catch you later kk
[18:18] <Martine> Night, Katherine!
[18:18] <Harvey> Good to see you!
[18:18] <KK> Good to chat with all of you again.
[18:18] <kelric> night
[18:18] <Wrengl> night katherine
[18:18] <Mistyck> take care Katherine
[18:18] <the_Bee> glad you made it tonight, KK see you next week?
[18:18] <Mistyck> sleep well
[18:18] <Wrengl> great seeking you again
[18:18] <the_Bee> nighters, KK
[18:18] <Wrengl> been forever long since you stopped by!
[18:18] <Wrengl>
[18:18] * KK steps onto her Portal, waves goodnight, and disappears in
a shower of green sparkles.
[18:18] <Wrengl> night katherine
[18:18] <jemler> latter kk
[18:18] * KK Quit
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