The House of Haldane
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King Uthyr III (Uthyr Michael Kelson Rhys Haldane) of Gwynedd--late King of Gwynedd
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Queen Soraya Ilseveta Amalia d'Auxerre di Fianna Haldane, Queen Mother of Gwynedd, Dowager queen to King Uthyr
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King Cinhil III (Cinhil Alroy Nigel Jashan Haldane)--King of Gwynedd as of 15 December 1463
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Queen Alixa Xandrina Éloïse Buyenne-Furstán Haldane, aka Alixa of Joux--Cinhil's consort
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Prince Nicholas Richard Brion Alexander Haldane ("Colin"), Duke of Carthmoor
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Queen Miranda Araxelle Renata Evaine Haldane von Horthy, eldest daughter to Uthyr and Soraya, Queen of Orsal and Tralia
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Prince Camber Malcolm Blaine Uthyr, aka Father Camber
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Princess Richeldis Anastasia Michaela Eliana Haldane
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Princess Elisa Marise Alexandra Meraude Haldane
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Princess Cynewyn Haldane (Cinhil and Alixa's daughter)
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Lady Titivillus, Prince Camber's cat, Royal Mouser and Fur Distributor, Destroyer of Cushions
The Northwodes
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Lady Melisande ("Mellie") de Northwode, daughter to the late Sir Edward Northwode, former ward of King Uthyr, longtime paramour of Prince Nicholas
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Balian de Northwode (later Balian Fitzroy)--son to Prince Nicholas and Lady Melisande
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Anneke de Northwode (later Anneke Fitzroy)--eldest daughter to Prince Nicholas and Lady Melisande
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Emmeline ("Emmie") de Northwode (later Emmeline Fitzroy)--younger daughter to Prince Nicholas and Lady Melisande
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Edward Nicholas ("Cole") Fitzroy, youngest son of King Nicholas and Lady Melisande de Northwode
The House of Morgan
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Duke Joscelin ("Joss") Morgan, Duke of Corwyn, the King's Champion
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Lady Gabrielle Morgan, younger sister to Duke Joscelin and lady-in-waiting to Princesses Richeldis and Elisa
The House of McLain
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Donal McLain, Duke of Cassan
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Arabella McLain, Duchess of Cassan, second wife to Donal
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David McLain, Earl of Kierney (son of the Duke of Cassan by his first wife)
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Noella MacArdry McLain, Countess of Kierney
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Devyn Miles McLain, aka Devyn FitzCassan, illegitimate firstborn son of the Duke of Cassan, born prior to his marriage to his first wife
The House of MacEwan
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Angus Ewan MacEwan, the Duke of Claibourne
Other People of Gwynedd
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Master Hugh Whytacre, night watchman in the City of Rhemuth
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The fair Rosaline, barmaid at The Gold Lion pub near Market Square, City of Rhemuth
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Lucie of Woodbury, a war captive captured at Woodbury-on-Cleyde and given as a gift from King Haakon to Prince Rémy of Joux
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Lord Anthony Colfax, Commander of the Garrison, City of Rhemuth
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Captain Henry Merivale, captain of the Gwyneddan Royal flagship Queen of Heaven
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Perin of Nyford, a bell ringer in the Cathedral in Nyford
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Bishop Martin of Evering, Chancellor of the University at the Free Port of Concaradine
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Old Nan, the cook at The Green Barrel in Desse
The House of Vastouni
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Mikhail Da'ud Reyhan Severin Vastouni, King of Andelon and Sultan of the Bhuttayriah
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Queen Noora, born a Nabila of Nur Hallaj, Queen to King Mikhail of Andelon and Sultana of the Bhuttayriah
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Princess Catalina Sofiana Richenda Maria Vastouni, Princess Royal of Andelon and Sultana of the Bhuttayriah
Three additional princesses (Esmeralda, Leonor, Isabella) and the Heir to Andelon (Reyhan) not pictured.
The House of Auxerre
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King Arnaud III d'Auxerre of Fianna (Older brother to Queen Soraya of Gwynedd)
Queen Soraya d'Auxerre Haldane (See House of Haldane)
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Prince Périgord d'Auxerre, younger brother to Queen Soraya of Gwynedd
The House of Buyenne-Furstán
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King Renier Buyenne-Furstán of Joux
Princess Alixa of Joux (see House of Haldane)
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Prince Rémy of Joux
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Princess Cécile of Joux
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Princess Marthe of Joux
The Royal House of Eistenmarcke
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Queen Ingrid Ylva Ørnensdatter, Konungamóðir (King's Mother) of Eistenmarcke, regent for King Haakon and widow to the late King Sigmund. Seið-kona ("Seether-mage") of the ancient Norse magical tradition.
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King Haakon Sigmundsson, twelve-year-old King of Eistenmarcke
The House of Hjort-Furstán
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King Torval Nikolaj Ragnarrson Hjort-Furstan of Nördmarcke
The House O'Shiele
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Cormac O'Shiele, Ard-Tiarna of Llyr
Aoife O'Shiele, Banoidhre of Llyr, the oldest of Cormac's sisters (see Camberian Council)
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Saoirse Catriona O'Shiele, Banfhlaith of Llyr, one of three younger sisters of Cormac and Aoife, former protegee of Lord Geoffrey Arilan and former foster sister to Sebastian Arilan. Intelligencer (trained), field medic (trained), and Healer (mostly self-taught)
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Cillian of Llyr--Saoirse's male guise
The House of MacFaolan-Gruffud
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King Dafydd MacFaolan-Gruffud of the United Kingdoms of Llannedd, Howicce, and Connait
The House of Furstán d'Arjenol
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Prince Alarikos Furstán d'Arjenol, Heir to Beldouria
The House of Faucon
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Prince Philippe Faucon de Besançon, second son to the King of Bremagne
House of Von Horthy
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His Hortic Majesty Adémar, Hort of Orsal and Tralia
Her Hortic Majesty Miranda Haldane von Horthy (see "The House of Haldane")
The Arilans
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Lord Geoffrey Arilan, Laird of Tre-Arilan, His Majesty's Chief Intelligencer, also Camberian Council coadjutor.
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Lord Sebastian Arilan, son and heir of Lord Geoffrey, senior squire to Prince Nicholas, intelligencer in training
The Camberian Council
Lord Geoffrey Arilan (See "The Arilans")
King Mikhail Vastouni (See "The House of Vastouni")
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Lord Alexei Petrovich, Kingdom of Beldouria, younger brother to the Patriach of Beldour
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Lady Emmanuelle de la Flamme, courtesan at the Court of Fallon
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Gräfin Violette de Rhupen, Principality of Thuria. Sister to Rupert, Prince of Thuria.
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Lord (Nabil) Da'ud ibn Yussuf al-Quarrah, from the Anvil of the Lord, Free City of Kharthat. Señor Don Salim's older brother.
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Banoidhre Aoife O'Shiele of Llyr, hereditary heiress to Llyr, sister to the Ard-Tiarna Cormac of Llyr and Banfhlaith Saoirse
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Aidan of Llyr--Banoidhre Aoife O'Shiele of Llyr's male guise, former squire to the late King Uthyr in the 1450s
Princess Catalina's Andelonian entourage
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Doña Amina bint Nasir al-Zahra, duenna (chaperone) and camarera (Lady of the Bedchamber) to Princess Catalina
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Señor Don Riordan ibn Ronan al-Liryah, a Caballero in the Andelonian Royal Household, Princess Catalina's former tutor, currently her personal intelligencer and her trusted amanuensis
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Señor Don Salim ibn Yussuf al-Qarrah, Princess Catalina's weapons master and head of her personal guard. Nabil Da'ud's younger brother.
Plus additional ladies-in-waiting: Rosalita, Consuelo, Maria, Felipa, Ana, Sarita, Emanuela, Beatriz, and Leonor (not pictured)
The Healers
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Master Berthelot Vivien Jordanet, Healer to His Majesty Renier of Joux
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Master James Bannatyne, Royal Court Healer to His Majesty Cinhil of Gwynedd
Banfhlaith Saoirse Catriona O'Shiele, mostly self-taught Healer and trained field medic from Llyr (See House O'Shiele)
This post will receive updates as new characters appear in the story. (If I forget, remind me! I have pics of at least most of the main characters.) Certain portraits may also change later in the story as those characters evolve.
Love this list of Dramatis Personae. Will help keep the characters straight. Where did you find such great pictures? A very handsome lot.
My goodness, Evie. This is amazing.
Quote from: DerynifanK on July 22, 2024, 03:29:34 PMLove this list of Dramatis Personae. Will help keep the characters straight. Where did you find such great pictures? A very handsome lot.
I used an image generator at Openart.ai (https://openart.ai/create) to create them. I would use keyword prompts such as "Medieval prince, age 26, black hair, gray eyes, wearing crimson" or whatever. Sometimes if I needed related people, I would use the same basic keywords but just change the age, sex, hair length, or other detail of that sort to get someone else who looked similar enough to be family, yet recognizably different. On occasion I also had to use a few other photo editing apps to fine tune some details, because for instance, my Arilans had almost neon violet eyes when I first generated them, and for some reason the website sometimes tries to match the eye color to the clothing color even when you specify otherwise, so I needed to tweak Miranda's eyes back to a more Haldane gray rather than the sea green shade of the Hort of Orsal's colors. The site has its drawbacks--for instance, unless you are very careful with your keywords, it has a tendency to give all middle-aged kings or all young mid-20s princesses a case of "same face syndrome," but I tried to counter that by using a few other sites as well. This one did the best job of putting them in clothing that seemed at least reasonably appropriate for the period, though, given that this is historical fantasy rather than straight history. Some of the other sites would clothe them in more obviously Victorian clothing or, worse, the Gunne Sax fashions popular in the 1980s, even if I specified 15th Century. ;D (Nothing against Gunne Sax gowns, they're just not very medieval looking!)
Quote from: Jerusha on July 22, 2024, 04:25:33 PMMy goodness, Evie. This is amazing.
Thank you! I find that having inspiration photos of my characters really helps me with keeping their descriptions consistent, so someone doesn't have green eyes in chapter 3 and brown eyes in chapter 15, which I tend not to notice when I'm writing, but which will jump out at me and annoy me to no end once I read it all back later. Plus it helps make up for me being a frustrated character artist and illustrator at heart, with the actual artistic capability that will only allow me to draw stick figures! ;D
The images are wonderful!
Quote from: Evie on July 22, 2024, 04:33:32 PMQuote from: Jerusha on July 22, 2024, 04:25:33 PMMy goodness, Evie. This is amazing.
Thank you! I find that having inspiration photos of my characters really helps me with keeping their descriptions consistent, so someone doesn't have green eyes in chapter 3 and brown eyes in chapter 15, which I tend not to notice when I'm writing, but which will jump out at me and annoy me to no end once I read it all back later. Plus it helps make up for me being a frustrated character artist and illustrator at heart, with the actual artistic capability that will only allow me to draw stick figures! ;D
Chapter Two characters have just been added to this thread.
Chapter Three updates added.
Catalina's mother's name is the Arabic version of mine, and her own name is the Spanish version of my SCA name, lol, and Don Salim bears a better than passing resemblance to my son-in-law! (Should they decide to do so, he and the Pod-Child stand to make very pretty babies!)
Quote from: DesertRose on July 30, 2024, 10:18:16 PMCatalina's mother's name is the Arabic version of mine, and her own name is the Spanish version of my SCA name, lol, and Don Salim bears a better than passing resemblance to my son-in-law! (Should they decide to do so, he and the Pod-Child stand to make very pretty babies!)
Oh heavens, don't let
@revanne know your SIL looks anything like Salim! If you dress him in desert robes for your next SCA event, you're likely to find revanne and your Pod-Child facing off in a Duel Arcane over him! ;D
@DesertRose I remember from the wedding pics that your S-i-L is gorgeous. But your DD is in no danger as I would be content to admire from afar.
Were I 40 years younger it might be a different story but alas I ain't!.
Quote from: Evie on July 30, 2024, 10:23:41 PMQuote from: DesertRose on July 30, 2024, 10:18:16 PMCatalina's mother's name is the Arabic version of mine, and her own name is the Spanish version of my SCA name, lol, and Don Salim bears a better than passing resemblance to my son-in-law! (Should they decide to do so, he and the Pod-Child stand to make very pretty babies!)
Oh heavens, don't let @revanne know your SIL looks anything like Salim! If you dress him in desert robes for your next SCA event, you're likely to find revanne and your Pod-Child facing off in a Duel Arcane over him! ;D
No, if we end up making him his own garb (the one event he's attended, we cobbled together a medieval-ish outfit out of her and my garb wardrobe), he's likely to go for Egyptian.
Which honestly doesn't do much to fend off admirers, since men's Egyptian leaves his upper body bare, with a loincloth and long kilt-type garment on his lower body. 🤣🤣
And sandals and a crap load of sunblock, because his skin color means he'll burn slightly slower than the Pod-Child and me, but since the two of us burn in about a nanosecond, that ain't saying much!
He's in the milk-and-cookies age bracket for us ladies anyway. He's only three months older than Kiddo, which means he is still literally young enough to be my son in body rather than merely in-law.
But should I get grandchildren in addition to granddogs and -cats, they will be the beautifullest babies!
And he could rock the Moorish garb, for sure!
(Be fun to explain Pod-Child's 15th C Irish persona having a Moorish or Egyptian husband, but that's why it's the Society for
Creative Anachronism. 😝)
Chapter Five additions:
King Arnaud III d'Auxerre of Fianna
The House of Buyenne-Furstan of Joux
King Reiner even looks scary. I am sure his intentions are very dishonorable
Quote from: DerynifanK on August 05, 2024, 09:20:34 AMKing Reiner even looks scary. I am sure his intentions are very dishonorable
Heh. You have nooo idea.... ;D
But Rémy there...how could Catalina have resisted such a darling young man?
*innocent whistling....*
When Evie starts innocently whistling run for cover.
Quote from: revanne on August 05, 2024, 12:36:11 PMWhen Evie starts innocently whistling run for cover.
I am an absolute angel. Sometimes I'm a fallen angel, but an angel nonetheless. ;D
Quote from: Evie on August 05, 2024, 12:38:09 PMQuote from: revanne on August 05, 2024, 12:36:11 PMWhen Evie starts innocently whistling run for cover.
I am an absolute angel. Sometimes I'm a fallen angel, but an angel nonetheless.
And fallen angels never cause any trouble, of course.
Please can we have a happy ending for those poor little girls in Joux!
Quote from: Demercia on August 05, 2024, 01:12:50 PMPlease can we have a happy ending for those poor little girls in Joux!
Can we? Absolutely!
Will we? Keep reading and find out! ;D
For the benefit of pedantry, please may we....
Same basic answer applies. ;D
Chapter Six additions:
The Royal House of Eistenmarcke
The House of Hjort-Furstan
Chapter Seven characters (The House of Morgan) added to the list.
The Morgans are still a handsome group. I have noticed that the only one in the list who is smiling or looks cheerful is Perigord. I guess that is because these are formal portraits.
Quote from: DerynifanK on August 12, 2024, 09:05:33 AMThe Morgans are still a handsome group. I have noticed that the only one in the list who is smiling or looks cheerful is Perigord. I guess that is because these are formal portraits.
That, yes, but the primary reason is that for some reason if you ask for a smiling or happy portrait, the website I use to make these tends to give them more of a goofy grin than just a normal looking smile. And if the Princesses of Joux tend to be a bit more anxious looking than merely serious, at least earlier in the story, there are good reasons for that also, though as I mentioned near the beginning of this thread, a few portraits might be changed out as the story continues to unfold.
Heart stops at the picture of the Duke of Corwyn.
Quote from: Jerusha on August 12, 2024, 06:42:27 PMHeart stops at the picture of the Duke of Corwyn.
I suspect that's a common reaction among the ladies of Coroth and Rhemuth Castle, especially since he is still single. ;) (You'll learn a little more of his backstory as the main story unfolds.)
Lord, those Morgans are gorgeous! Joss makes even my old heart race.
Quote from: DerynifanK on August 12, 2024, 06:50:59 PMLord, those Morgans are gorgeous! Josc makes even my old heart race.
I think the queue starts behind Jerusha, unless you want to duel her for him. ;D
He's definitely worth dueling for
Oh good, glad to see the House of Morgan in it's 15th century iteration.
Quote from: Shiral on August 13, 2024, 12:01:14 AMOh good, glad to see the House of Morgan in it's 15th century iteration.
I couldn't let you rabid Morgan fanbabes down. ;)
I also have a couple of McLain descendants in this story, but they won't appear until much later. (I don't really count Noella, Countess of Kierney, since she married into the family.)
You definitely needed to have McLain descendents although they come through Dhugal so would be McArdry-Mclains. Alaric's genes definitely are going strong so hope Duncan's are too. After all, how many women hoped they could inspire him to leave the priesthood and marry them?
Quote from: DerynifanK on August 13, 2024, 09:47:39 AMYou definitely needed to have McLain descendents although they come through Dhugal so would be McArdry-Mclains. Alaric's genes definitely are going strong so hope Duncan's are too. After all, how many women hoped they could inspire him to leave the priesthood and marry them?
Yes and no, re: them being MacArdry-McLains. Yes, they are of that bloodline due to their descent from Dhugal, and so is the current Earl of Transha. However, remember that Transha practices tanistry rather than primogeniture, so the firstborn son of the Earl is not necessarily the heir unless the clan also confirms him as heir. In my story AU, Dhugal's duchy and the earldom of Kierney will pass down through Duncan Michael and his firstborn son, but Transha will end up selecting Jared, Dhugal's second son, as their tanist, so future MacArdry clan chiefs are descended from Dhugal through Jared rather than through Duncan Michael. (In theory, if some future generation ends up not having a descendant of Jared who the clan thinks is suitable to be heir, they could select a different clan chief. In practice, though, I imagine they wouldn't pick someone else unless the direct descendant heir is a complete disaster or mentally incapable of leading the clan, to avoid the potential conflict with the Crown that might arise if the first-born son of some future MacArdry became Earl and the clan went "Nope, we're not following
that walking disaster!" and selected someone else as clan chief instead.)
So in Dhugal's generation and maybe one or two afterwards, I can see them being styled as "MacArdry-McLains," but I suspect once the lines of descent branch off from each other far enough, they might quietly drop the hyphenated form and go back to being separate McLain and MacArdry houses, though with a stronger bond remaining between the two clans due to their shared history.
I think it's very likely that the two lines would become distinct as you suggest Evie. Transha is proud of its border independence and I can readily see how there would be realistic fears that the Earldom of Transha would simply become a subsidiary title of the Dukes of Cassan if the same person held the title for succeeding generations. And it is hard to see how Dukes of Cassan could give particular time and attention to Transha without breeding resentment elsewhere in the Duchy.
I was looking at the pictures again and I thought Catalina's duenna would be somewhat older and not quite so attractive. I guess I was seeing her as a fussy middle aged lady. Don't know why. She is quite the worrier. Hope she adjusts.
Quote from: DerynifanK on August 13, 2024, 07:47:16 PMI was looking at the pictures again and I thought Catalina's duenna would be somewhat older and not quite so attractive. I guess I was seeing her as a fussy middle aged lady. Don't know why. She is quite the worrier. Hope she adjusts.
Yes, she is much younger than she acts. Lady Amina would only be in her middle to late 20s but acts like she could be twice that age. There are some backstory reasons for at least some of her overly serious and fussy personality that don't really come out in this story, but might end up being revealed in some other story if/when I ever decide to write one that has a role for Amina in it and would allow for those sorts of revelations. But a lot of it is also rooted in some deep insecurity and a need to be needed, and as her "preciosa" becomes more independent and needs her less over time, that could have an interesting effect down the road. A modern day therapist might say she has a lot of codependent tendencies.
Chapter Eight addition: Jouvian Healer.
I feel so sorry for the healer. I know there are both good and bad Deryni as there are of other races. But I think Remy is an example of the worst kind. Dare I hope something really bad happens to him in the course of the story?
Quote from: DerynifanK on August 15, 2024, 08:40:46 AMI feel so sorry for the healer. I know there are both good and bad Deryni as there are of other races. But I think Remy is an example of the worst kind. Dare I hope something really bad happens to him in the course of the story?
One can always hope. :)
I read the scene with the healer again. I know I said I wanted something really bad to happen to Remy, I cannot seem to think of anything horrible enough for him. I hope your imagination has come up with something. I couldn't stand it if he gets away with his horrible behavior.
So, you know how sometimes there's a guy you know is a villain, but he has at least one or two traits that are kind of admirable, or at least one or two motivations that you can find at least a tiny bit relatable, so even though you know that guy isn't someone you'd want to emulate, you can't help but feel a little bit of sympathy for him nonetheless?
Yeah, Rémy is not that guy. ;D
Poor Cecile. Wish there was some way to rescue her from her fate.
Quote from: DerynifanK on August 15, 2024, 05:07:22 PMPoor Cecile. Wish there was some way to rescue her from her fate.
While you're waiting to see how the story unfolds in the remaining...*does quick math*... 15 and a half weeks, I think, you can always print out that picture of Rémy's face and glue it to the center of your dart board.... ;D
Great idea!
So there's another 31 chapters? What wonderful news!
Quote from: drakensis on August 16, 2024, 12:26:30 AMSo there's another 31 chapters? What wonderful news!
Yup, or at least 30 more full length ones and a longish epilogue. It ended up being in the general neighborhood of around 250K words, I think, written between the first week of March and the end of July, I think, because I am apparently a lunatic. ;D
Evie, we love your lunacy. May it never end.
Added for Chapter Nine: House O'Shiele
Those Lyrians are a handsome group.
Quote from: DerynifanK on August 19, 2024, 08:05:49 AMThose Lyrians are a handsome group.
I'm quite fond of my Llyrians. It might be nice to work up a story about the founding of Llyr someday, if I can work out when the lost kingdom of Caeriesse perished, since Llyr was originally settled by some of the survivors of that catastrophe.
Added Chapter Ten characters:
King Dafydd of the United Kingdoms of Llannedd, Howicce, and Connait
Prince Alarikos, The Prince of Beldouria
Prince Philippe of Bremagne
Countess Noella of Kierney (see House of McLain)
King Dafydd looks like the not-too-bright but basically harmless type who is best friends to the hero in a sitcom, and the butt of the comedy. Honestly if he wants to go a-wooing with any success he would be best advised not to take his far more handsome house guest with him.
Quote from: revanne on August 22, 2024, 01:29:59 PMKing Dafydd looks like the not-too-bright but basically harmless type who is best friends to the hero in a sitcom, and the butt of the comedy. Honestly if he wants to go a-wooing with any success he would be best advised not to take his far more handsome house guest with him.
Well, fortunately (?) that ought not be too much of an issue in future, unless the Court of Bremagne permits multiple wives, but given that Richeldis is Soraya's daughter, that might not be helpful for Philippe's life expectancy. ;)
No new characters in Chapter Eleven, but since we have seen Queen Alixa in a more carefree moment in the spin-off story "Sanctuary for a Stray" and also in an earlier scene in this new chapter, I have updated her picture to show her as she looks when she's not so stressed and anxious. Which is not to say there isn't a lot more stress and anxiety just around the corner, because this is an Evie story.... 😅
That's a gorgeous picture of Alixa as the new Queen of Gwynedd. Still a bit wary but much more assured.
Yes, life has taught her to be cautious, but she doesn't always look scared to death of her own shadow.
Chapter Thirteen:
No human characters today, but Lady Titivillus has demanded to be added to the gallery. She was previously introduced in the spin-off story "Sanctuary for a Stray," but she makes a brief appearance in this chapter and one or two others also, so that's only fair. You will find her added to the House of Haldane.
Lady Titivillus a beautiful addition to the Haldane family. She is quite regal and I am sure she has Camber and his household wrapped around her paw, as would any self respecting cat.
Fabulous chapter again, thank you. If I were Lady Titivillus however I would be tempted to stay close to that hiding place under the bench. Except when she's snuggling Camber of course.
New section added for the spin-off story "Night Watchers": Other People of Gwynedd. These characters will eventually turn up in the main story also.
At first glance the picture of Hugh makes me think of Strider's first appearance in the Prancing Pony at Bree.
Quote from: revanne on September 02, 2024, 09:25:32 AMAt first glance the picture of Hugh makes me think of Strider's first appearance in the Prancing Pony at Bree.
Now you mention it...
After another look at Joscelin, I have to say the ladies of Gwynedd are failing badly if that man is still single. Wonder if we could find him another "Richenda". She certainly made his ancestor very happy.
Quote from: DerynifanK on September 02, 2024, 07:00:19 PMAfter another look at Joscelin, I have to say the ladies of Gwynedd are failing badly if that man is still single. Wonder if we could find him another "Richenda". She certainly made his ancestor very happy.
Oh, it would definitely not be due to their lack of trying, I'm sure! Let's just say he hasn't yet found someone whom he can summon up the same level of regard for as the one who got away, and he's not willing to settle for less. Well, not unless his King commands him to marry, at least, but I can't quite imagine either Cinhil or Colin doing so unless the need were to become desperate.
That said, he does quite enjoy feminine company, and doesn't mind taking a turn or two on the dance floor with the ladies of the Court, or escorting them into the City so they can do their shopping. He is likely a bit of a flirt as well, at least when he can find someone to flirt with who knows better than to take him too seriously. He's just not very likely to turn into the marrying sort unless he ever finds another woman whom he can imagine himself happily married to, and thus far that hasn't happened yet.
Well I have to say I hope it does happen in the future. Otherwise it would be such a waste if he remains alone.
Quote from: DerynifanK on September 02, 2024, 09:21:50 PMWell I have to say I hope it does happen in the future. Otherwise it would be such a waste if he remains alone.
If it helps, my story "Balance of Power" establishes that the Morgan line continued in my AU Gwynedd until just a couple of generations prior to the start of that story, when the last Morgan heiress married a Haldane. And there are likely some cadet branches of the family still in existence. So it seems clear that Joscelin at some point in his life will father at least one legitimate heir to pass his duchy on to, even if he hasn't settled down with someone at this present stage of life yet.
(Also, he only recently became the Duke. I suspect there was less pressure on him to marry soon when he was still the Earl of Lendour, but now that there's a duchy as well as an earldom at stake, I'm sure he'll start feeling more outside pressure to do something about that sooner rather than later. But he's still younger than Alaric was when Alaric met Richenda, and before that, Alaric was showing no signs of serious bride-hunting yet, despite having been Duke of Corwyn for longer than Joss has been at this point.)
Chapter Sixteen addition - Master James Bannatyne, Royal Healer of Gwynedd
Also a photo update for Cécile of Joux.
Chapter Eighteen update:
Added to the House of McLain--portraits for the Duke and Duchess of Cassan and the Earl of Kierney.
Chapter Twenty update: portrait of Master Devyn McLain (Devyn FitzCassan) added to the House of McLain.
Chapter Twenty-five:
Added - Lucie of Woodbury, under Other People of Gwynedd
Updated - Prince Nicholas, Prince Camber (The House of Haldane)
It's a definite no to the beard from me!
Quote from: Demercia on October 14, 2024, 06:31:55 AMIt's a definite no to the beard from me!
LOL! On which one? 😄
You'll notice Camber's is a bit wilder than Colin's. That's because Colin is currently encamped at Ramos, with the little luxuries that being headquartered in a town brings. Meanwhile Camber is out in the field trying to chase down those Jouvian forces and rarely having time to do much more than wash his face, let alone tame it.... 😂
(And keep an eye out for a future chapter when Cinhil gets an eyeful of his bristly younger brother.... 😄)
I posted too quickly and hadn't noticed Camber. I definitely approve of his beard, or maybe I just like the wild look😂
Quote from: Demercia on October 14, 2024, 07:06:44 AMI posted too quickly and hadn't noticed Camber. I definitely approve of his beard, or maybe I just like the wild look😂
Or it could just be that you prefer Camber, even if he happens to have a hedgehog parked on his chin just at the moment. 😂
I think you changed a couple of pictures. Camber certainly looks different with that beard, older, less boyish. Also don't remember Colin with a beard. Guess this war is aging everyone.
Quote from: Evie on October 14, 2024, 06:37:57 AMQuote from: Demercia on October 14, 2024, 06:31:55 AMIt's a definite no to the beard from me!
LOL! On which one? 😄
You'll notice Camber's is a bit wilder than Colin's. That's because Colin is currently encamped at Ramos, with the little luxuries that being headquartered in a town brings. Meanwhile Camber is out in the field trying to chase down those Jouvian forces and rarely having time to do much more than wash his face, let alone tame it.... 😂
(And keep an eye out for a future chapter when Cinhil gets an eyeful of his bristly younger brother.... 😄)
Can't wait for his reaction.
Quote from: DerynifanK on October 14, 2024, 11:41:49 AMI think you changed a couple of pictures. Camber certainly looks different with that beard, older, less boyish. Also don't remember Colin with a beard. Guess this war is aging everyone.
Yup, as I mentioned in my earlier comment this morning, those were the two updated pictures. I also added Lucie of Woodbury under "Other People of Gwynedd."
I have to say, after several relooks, I like Nicholas better without his beard but I like Camber's. Although Nicholas is handsome either way.
Quote from: DerynifanK on October 16, 2024, 08:16:11 AMI have to say, after several relooks, I like Nicholas better without his beard but I like Camber's. Although Nicholas is handsome either way.
Oh, I'm sure they'll both experiment with different styles until they each settle down with one that they like or end up shaving it off again once they are back at the Castle where it is easier to maintain a clean-shaven style. (Though Camber's beard makes him look more his age, as without it he looks closer to a teen than a twenty-three year old, so he might choose to keep one for that reason.)
Actually, I quite like Nicholas with a beard. When the war is over, Camber might trim his beard into a neater version, but it gives him a certain gravitas that I like.
Quote from: Shiral on October 16, 2024, 03:15:52 PMActually, I quite like Nicholas with a beard. When the war is over, Camber might trim his beard into a neater version, but it gives him a certain gravitas that I like.
I agree about Camber. He looks less like a young teen and more like a mature man
Quote from: Shiral on October 16, 2024, 03:15:52 PMActually, I quite like Nicholas with a beard. When the war is over, Camber might trim his beard into a neater version, but it gives him a certain gravitas that I like.
I agree about Camber. He looks less like a young teen and more like a mature man
Updated for Chapter Twenty-Six:
Lord Anthony Colfax added to "Other People of Gwynedd"
(I know Lord Anthony is a minor character, but I must admit that's one of my favorite profile portraits, because I love the view from the City wall. I can imagine that being close to one of the main city gates, probably Bishopsgate, facing westward in the late afternoon close to sunset.)
It's lovely.
I wasn't planning on adding these minor characters to the board, but making portraits is too much fun, so here are some updates for Chapter Twenty-Seven under "Other People of Gwynedd":
Captain Henry Merivale (you also met him briefly near the beginning of the story)
Perin of Nyford
Bishop Martin Evering, Chancellor of the University of Concaradine
Old Nan at The Green Barrel in Desse
I'm glad you decided to add more pictures
Added for Chapter Twenty-Eight:
The House of MacEwan
Since I am posting a spin-off story tomorrow, but am likely to forget to update the Dramatis Personae since it's not a regular posting day for me, I'll go ahead and update it now.
Added to "The Camberian Council": Aidan of Llyr (Banoidhre Aoife's male guise).
"Aidan" will make a brief appearance in tomorrow's spin-off story, "The Star-Crossed," and a slightly longer appearance in a future chapter or two of Pawns and Queens as well as other future stories.
Quote from: Evie on November 01, 2024, 02:13:05 PMSince I am posting a spin-off story tomorrow, but am likely to forget to update the Dramatis Personae since it's not a regular posting day for me, I'll go ahead and update it now.
Added to "The Camberian Council": Aidan of Llyr (Banoidhre Aoife's male guise).
"Aidan" will make a brief appearance in tomorrow's spin-off story, "The Star-Crossed," and a slightly longer appearance in a future chapter or two of Pawns and Queens as well as other future stories.
Please when you get a moment could you remind me how titles work in Llyr, I know the succession is matrilineal.
Quote from: Demercia on November 02, 2024, 10:18:48 AMQuote from: Evie on November 01, 2024, 02:13:05 PMSince I am posting a spin-off story tomorrow, but am likely to forget to update the Dramatis Personae since it's not a regular posting day for me, I'll go ahead and update it now.
Added to "The Camberian Council": Aidan of Llyr (Banoidhre Aoife's male guise).
"Aidan" will make a brief appearance in tomorrow's spin-off story, "The Star-Crossed," and a slightly longer appearance in a future chapter or two of Pawns and Queens as well as other future stories.
Please when you get a moment could you remind me how titles work in Llyr, I know the succession is matrilineal.
The
Ard-Tiarna (High Lord) is the Sovereign of Llyr. He is the eldest son of a
Banoidhre. If the Ard-Tiarna is married, I think his wife has a courtesy title that translates to "High Lady," but I've forgotten what that was and will need to go back and look it up.
The
Banoidhre (Heiress) of Llyr is the eldest daughter of the previous
Banoidhre and hence usually the
Ard-Tiarna's sister, unless a
Banoidhre or future
Ard-Tiarna has not been born for that generation yet or they have not yet come of age.
The titles for their younger siblings are
Fhlaith/Banfhlaith, which are roughly equivalent to Prince/Princess.
And a
ridire is a knight.
A
Sagart/Ban-sagart is a priest, so Catriona of Llyr in Kelson's generation was a
Ban-sagart. (The prefix ban- means woman or female, though Llyrians don't distinguish between male and female knights for whatever reason, so they're both called
ridire.)
If a generation's
Banoidhre fails to produce both a son and a daughter to inherit after them, then one or both of those lineages can continue through a cadet branch of the family (though an Ard-Tiarna selected that way still won't pass his title to his son since that will always be passed down through a Banoidhre), though I don't think Llyrians follow strict primogeniture, so if the next male or female descendant in line is found wanting in some way, the Royal Family and/or the people can opt to pass over him or her and select a different heir or heiress. So it's a bit more like tanistry in that sense, I think.
Quote from: Evie on November 02, 2024, 10:50:07 AMQuote from: Demercia on November 02, 2024, 10:18:48 AMQuote from: Evie on November 01, 2024, 02:13:05 PMSince I am posting a spin-off story tomorrow, but am likely to forget to update the Dramatis Personae since it's not a regular posting day for me, I'll go ahead and update it now.
Added to "The Camberian Council": Aidan of Llyr (Banoidhre Aoife's male guise).
"Aidan" will make a brief appearance in tomorrow's spin-off story, "The Star-Crossed," and a slightly longer appearance in a future chapter or two of Pawns and Queens as well as other future stories.
Please when you get a moment could you remind me how titles work in Llyr, I know the succession is matrilineal.
The Ard-Tiarna (High Lord) is the Sovereign of Llyr. He is the eldest son of a Banoidhre. If the Ard-Tiarna is married, I think his wife has a courtesy title that translates to "High Lady," but I've forgotten what that was and will need to go back and look it up.
The Banoidhre (Heiress) of Llyr is the eldest daughter of the previous Banoidhre and hence usually the Ard-Tiarna's sister, unless a Banoidhre or future Ard-Tiarna has not been born for that generation yet or they have not yet come of age.
The titles for their younger siblings are Fhlaith/Banfhlaith, which are roughly equivalent to Prince/Princess.
And a ridire is a knight.
A Sagart/Ban-sagart is a priest, so Catriona of Llyr in Kelson's generation was a Ban-sagart. (The prefix ban- means woman or female, though Llyrians don't distinguish between male and female knights for whatever reason, so they're both called ridire.)
If a generation's Banoidhre fails to produce both a son and a daughter to inherit after them, then one or both of those lineages can continue through a cadet branch of the family (though an Ard-Tiarna selected that way still won't pass his title to his son since that will always be passed down through a Banoidhre), though I don't think Llyrians follow strict primogeniture, so if the next male or female descendant in line is found wanting in some way, the Royal Family and/or the people can opt to pass over him or her and select a different heir or heiress. So it's a bit more like tanistry in that sense, I think.
Thank you
Added for Chapter Thirty-four: The House of Von Horthy.
Nooo, I just realized I forgot the newest little Haldane!
Princess Cynewyn Haldane, introduced in Chapter Thirty-Two. (See "The House of Haldane")
Quote from: Evie on November 22, 2024, 12:02:44 PMNooo, I just realized I forgot the newest little Haldane!
Princess Cynewyn Haldane, introduced in Chapter Thirty-Two. (See "The House of Haldane")
Not to mention the latest Northwode (Fitzroy) - though admittedly I doubt he has quite recovered from his birth. And certainly no-one else involved will have!
Quote from: Demercia on November 22, 2024, 12:23:09 PMQuote from: Evie on November 22, 2024, 12:02:44 PMNooo, I just realized I forgot the newest little Haldane!
Princess Cynewyn Haldane, introduced in Chapter Thirty-Two. (See "The House of Haldane")
Not to mention the latest Northwode (Fitzroy) - though admittedly I doubt he has quite recovered from his birth. And certainly no-one else involved will have!
I can give it a try, though the issue I had with getting a decent picture of Cynewyn is that if you specifically ask for a black-haired baby, even if you specify fair skin, the AI image generators seem to automatically assume that any baby with black hair is either of African or Asian descent. And while I can see Colin and Catalina's child perhaps looking like he has some mixed ancestry, given Catalina's Andelonian heritage, I was trying to get a mix that looked more like a direct descendant of Cinhil and Alixa. This was one of the only ones that ended up having both the correct hair and eye color, straight hair like both parents, and more European features.
The other issue is that trying to generate a newborn often comes up with some very Yoda-like young'uns, but trying to generate an infant will have them instantly aged up to at least crawling age. It's nearly impossible to get it to generate a pretty newborn with the exact hair/eye/skin tone coloration needed and in an appropriate medieval setting, so after I managed to get a decent Cynewyn and a future heir to the throne, I gave up on trying to generate more babies. So if I try for Cole, I might give him Mellie's hair color just to try to alleviate some of the frustration. Or I might wait until the sequel and try for an older Haldane-looking infant or toddler, which will likely be easier.
Quote from: Demercia on November 22, 2024, 12:23:09 PMQuote from: Evie on November 22, 2024, 12:02:44 PMNooo, I just realized I forgot the newest little Haldane!
Princess Cynewyn Haldane, introduced in Chapter Thirty-Two. (See "The House of Haldane")
Not to mention the latest Northwode (Fitzroy) - though admittedly I doubt he has quite recovered from his birth. And certainly no-one else involved will have!
Well, for once the AI decided to cooperate with me! (It probably helped that I asked for brown straight hair rather than black hair.) Cole has been added to the "House of Northwode" section, and the info in that section has been updated.
I was looking through the picture gallery and I have to say some of the kings were a grumpy looking lot. Ademar, Hort of Orsal, was especially grouchy looking besides being a lot older than Miranda. I felt rather sorry for her. Joss was young, much better looking, and doesn't look like he's mad at the world. However, Miranda seems to manage the Hort pretty well and it was an important alliance for Gwynedd.
Adémar is about 12 years older than Miranda, I think, but I'd have to check my notes. IIRC, when they were first betrothed, she was 16 and he was in his late 20s (maybe 28?), so still young, but with over a decade more life experience. In this story, I think she was 25, so that would make her husband around 37 now. But the age gap isn't the problem in their relationship so much as other major differences in personality and values that I can't really get too much into since I have a partially written Miranda story in the works.
Quote from: Evie on November 22, 2024, 07:25:25 PMAdémar is about 12 years older than Miranda, I think, but I'd have to check my notes. IIRC, when they were first betrothed, she was 16 and he was in his late 20s (maybe 28?), so still young, but with over a decade more life experience. In this story, I think she was 25, so that would make her husband around 37 now. But the age gap isn't the problem in their relationship so much as other major differences in personality and values that I can't really get too much into since I have a partially written Miranda story in the works.
I will look forward to that.I have read that when a woman marries for reasons of state, she is given right to remarry whom she pleases if her first husband dies. Miranda doesn't appear to be unhappy with Ademar but we really don't know much about their relationship. Will look forward to learning more.
Quote from: DerynifanK on November 22, 2024, 08:11:15 PMQuote from: Evie on November 22, 2024, 07:25:25 PMAdémar is about 12 years older than Miranda, I think, but I'd have to check my notes. IIRC, when they were first betrothed, she was 16 and he was in his late 20s (maybe 28?), so still young, but with over a decade more life experience. In this story, I think she was 25, so that would make her husband around 37 now. But the age gap isn't the problem in their relationship so much as other major differences in personality and values that I can't really get too much into since I have a partially written Miranda story in the works.
I will look forward to that.I have read that when a woman marries for reasons of state, she is given right to remarry whom she pleases if her first husband dies. Miranda doesn't appear to be unhappy with Ademar but we really don't know much about their relationship. Will look forward to learning more.
The answer to that is not so much "Yes" as "Yes, but..." or "Yes, as long as...." For instance, if a widowed Queen is regent for her infant son, then if she wishes to remarry, her prospective husband might need to meet the approval of a regency council to make sure he or any future children she might have won't be potential threats to the throne or the line of succession. (Katherine of Valois marrying that Twddur bloke and complicating the potential lines of succession during the Wars of the Roses, I'm looking at you!) Or even if she isn't Regent, but is mother to the heir of the throne, similar conditions may or may not exist if her son is a minor. If she isn't mother to an heir who is still a minor, then remarriage is less likely to cause potential problems (that I can think of on the spur of the moment, at least).
But yeah, besides that, if said young widow had the good sense to want to marry someone who isn't going to end up being the match made from Hell that starts the next major Game of Thrones, then sure, she could likely remarry.
Quote from: Evie on November 22, 2024, 01:22:39 PMQuote from: Demercia on November 22, 2024, 12:23:09 PMQuote from: Evie on November 22, 2024, 12:02:44 PMNooo, I just realized I forgot the newest little Haldane!
Princess Cynewyn Haldane, introduced in Chapter Thirty-Two. (See "The House of Haldane")
Not to mention the latest Northwode (Fitzroy) - though admittedly I doubt he has quite recovered from his birth. And certainly no-one else involved will have!
Well, for once the AI decided to cooperate with me! (It probably helped that I asked for brown straight hair rather than black hair.) Cole has been added to the "House of Northwode" section, and the info in that section has been updated.
He is a cutie, thank you