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DerynifanK

Quote from: Nezz on August 31, 2024, 04:12:53 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on August 31, 2024, 04:05:50 PMI see growth and maturity and progress in all of our characters except Airich. I don't see much change in him, even after his encounter with a vicious human like de Nore. Does he really still want to have his powers blocked and become human. I had hoped for change but don't really see any.
We haven't really gotten into Airich's POV since before Edwin's first speech, so we don't know what he's thinking at the moment or if he's had any changes of heart. Plus, he's friends with quite a few Humans and thinks they're delightful people, and sees nothing wrong with wanting to emulate them. ;) In fact, he has reason to believe that you yourself are Human and he thinks you're great. :)
Seeing what was done by humans to an innocent man who just happened to be Deryni should cause him to reconsider his POV I should think.
"Thanks be to God there are still, as there always have been and always will be, more good men than evil in this world, and their cause will prevail." Brother Cadfael's Penance

Nezz

Quote from: DerynifanK on September 03, 2024, 07:34:22 PM
Quote from: Nezz on August 31, 2024, 04:12:53 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on August 31, 2024, 04:05:50 PMI see growth and maturity and progress in all of our characters except Airich. I don't see much change in him, even after his encounter with a vicious human like de Nore. Does he really still want to have his powers blocked and become human. I had hoped for change but don't really see any.
We haven't really gotten into Airich's POV since before Edwin's first speech, so we don't know what he's thinking at the moment or if he's had any changes of heart. Plus, he's friends with quite a few Humans and thinks they're delightful people, and sees nothing wrong with wanting to emulate them. ;) In fact, he has reason to believe that you yourself are Human and he thinks you're great. :)
Seeing what was done by humans to an innocent man who just happened to be Deryni should cause him to reconsider his POV I should think.
So... he should hate humans instead of wanting to emulate them? Consider that he also knows what Deryni have done to Humans as well as what Humans have done to Deryni.
Now is life, and life is always better.
-Wolfself

DerynifanK

Quote from: Nezz on September 03, 2024, 07:23:18 PMSomeone really needs to take these two kids and clonk their heads together. :D
well at one of them is yours.
"Thanks be to God there are still, as there always have been and always will be, more good men than evil in this world, and their cause will prevail." Brother Cadfael's Penance

DerynifanK

Quote from: Nezz on September 03, 2024, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on September 03, 2024, 07:34:22 PM
Quote from: Nezz on August 31, 2024, 04:12:53 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on August 31, 2024, 04:05:50 PMI see growth and maturity and progress in all of our characters except Airich. I don't see much change in him, even after his encounter with a vicious human like de Nore. Does he really still want to have his powers blocked and become human. I had hoped for change but don't really see any.
We haven't really gotten into Airich's POV since before Edwin's first speech, so we don't know what he's thinking at the moment or if he's had any changes of heart. Plus, he's friends with quite a few Humans and thinks they're delightful people, and sees nothing wrong with wanting to emulate them. ;) In fact, he has reason to believe that you yourself are Human and he thinks you're great. :)
Seeing what was done by humans to an innocent man who just happened to be Deryni should cause him to reconsider his POV I should think.
So... he should hate humans instead of wanting to emulate them? Consider that he also knows what Deryni have done to Humans as well as what Humans have done to Deryni.
I didn't say he should hate anyone. I hope he will realize there are good and bad on both sides. And as Alaric told Dhugal it isn't the powers themselves that are bad or good, it is what is in the heart and mind of the person with the powers. I think Airich has good intentions but I think he needs to give it more thought. Maybe it's the responsibility of having them that is hard for him. Still wish we knew what happened to his to produce this situation. Not knowing is like trying to solve a problem in the dark.
"Thanks be to God there are still, as there always have been and always will be, more good men than evil in this world, and their cause will prevail." Brother Cadfael's Penance

Laurna

Quote from: DerynifanK on September 03, 2024, 07:38:11 PM
Quote from: Nezz on September 03, 2024, 07:23:18 PMSomeone really needs to take these two kids and clonk their heads together. :D
well at one of them is yours.

I think Elspeth will be happy to clonk both of their heads in separate directions. Fortunately both of them are full adults.
May your horses have wings and fly!

Nezz

Quote from: DerynifanK on September 03, 2024, 09:36:13 PM
Quote from: Nezz on September 03, 2024, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on September 03, 2024, 07:34:22 PM
Quote from: Nezz on August 31, 2024, 04:12:53 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on August 31, 2024, 04:05:50 PMI see growth and maturity and progress in all of our characters except Airich. I don't see much change in him, even after his encounter with a vicious human like de Nore. Does he really still want to have his powers blocked and become human. I had hoped for change but don't really see any.
We haven't really gotten into Airich's POV since before Edwin's first speech, so we don't know what he's thinking at the moment or if he's had any changes of heart. Plus, he's friends with quite a few Humans and thinks they're delightful people, and sees nothing wrong with wanting to emulate them. ;) In fact, he has reason to believe that you yourself are Human and he thinks you're great. :)
Seeing what was done by humans to an innocent man who just happened to be Deryni should cause him to reconsider his POV I should think.
So... he should hate humans instead of wanting to emulate them? Consider that he also knows what Deryni have done to Humans as well as what Humans have done to Deryni.
I didn't say he should hate anyone. I hope he will realize there are good and bad on both sides. And as Alaric told Dhugal it isn't the powers themselves that are bad or good, it is what is in the heart and mind of the person with the powers. I think Airich has good intentions but I think he needs to give it more thought. Maybe it's the responsibility of having them that is hard for him. Still wish we knew what happened to his to produce this situation. Not knowing is like trying to solve a problem in the dark.
I suspect you may get the answers to some of your questions soon</spoiler>
Now is life, and life is always better.
-Wolfself

Evie

Quote from: DerynifanK on September 03, 2024, 09:36:13 PM
Quote from: Nezz on September 03, 2024, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on September 03, 2024, 07:34:22 PM
Quote from: Nezz on August 31, 2024, 04:12:53 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on August 31, 2024, 04:05:50 PMI see growth and maturity and progress in all of our characters except Airich. I don't see much change in him, even after his encounter with a vicious human like de Nore. Does he really still want to have his powers blocked and become human. I had hoped for change but don't really see any.
We haven't really gotten into Airich's POV since before Edwin's first speech, so we don't know what he's thinking at the moment or if he's had any changes of heart. Plus, he's friends with quite a few Humans and thinks they're delightful people, and sees nothing wrong with wanting to emulate them. ;) In fact, he has reason to believe that you yourself are Human and he thinks you're great. :)
Seeing what was done by humans to an innocent man who just happened to be Deryni should cause him to reconsider his POV I should think.
So... he should hate humans instead of wanting to emulate them? Consider that he also knows what Deryni have done to Humans as well as what Humans have done to Deryni.
I didn't say he should hate anyone. I hope he will realize there are good and bad on both sides. And as Alaric told Dhugal it isn't the powers themselves that are bad or good, it is what is in the heart and mind of the person with the powers. I think Airich has good intentions but I think he needs to give it more thought. Maybe it's the responsibility of having them that is hard for him. Still wish we knew what happened to his to produce this situation. Not knowing is like trying to solve a problem in the dark.

He seems to be acting responsibly for the most part in this story, so I don't think he is afraid of the responsibility of having his Deryni powers. I think he is just at the end of his tether when it comes with dealing with the horrible headaches and nightmares that using his powers brings him, and that's the only sure solution for his problem that he can imagine at the moment.

Imagine if you had breast cancer in both breasts, and it seemed like the most certain way to prevent it from causing further damage to you would be to get a double mastectomy. You wouldn't get that done because you hate your breasts, you'd get it done because you hate the cancer and don't want it doing further damage to your body.

Airich is in a similar sort of situation. Now, it's possible that his problem can be cured in some other, less drastic way. But if he is not aware of that, he'd be trying to seek relief and healing in whatever way he is pretty sure will solve the problem, and at least Blocking (which I also hope he won't resort to, but I can easily understand why he'd strongly consider it) is a less drastic and final solution than, say, suicide. Though hopefully he's not quite that desperate for relief.
"In necessariis unitas, in non-necessariis libertas, in utrisque caritas."

--WARNING!!!--
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DerynifanK

Quote from: Evie on September 03, 2024, 10:02:33 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on September 03, 2024, 09:36:13 PM
Quote from: Nezz on September 03, 2024, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on September 03, 2024, 07:34:22 PM
Quote from: Nezz on August 31, 2024, 04:12:53 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on August 31, 2024, 04:05:50 PMI see growth and maturity and progress in all of our characters except Airich. I don't see much change in him, even after his encounter with a vicious human like de Nore. Does he really still want to have his powers blocked and become human. I had hoped for change but don't really see any.
We haven't really gotten into Airich's POV since before Edwin's first speech, so we don't know what he's thinking at the moment or if he's had any changes of heart. Plus, he's friends with quite a few Humans and thinks they're delightful people, and sees nothing wrong with wanting to emulate them. ;) In fact, he has reason to believe that you yourself are Human and he thinks you're great. :)
Seeing what was done by humans to an innocent man who just happened to be Deryni should cause him to reconsider his POV I should think.
So... he should hate humans instead of wanting to emulate them? Consider that he also knows what Deryni have done to Humans as well as what Humans have done to Deryni.
I didn't say he should hate anyone. I hope he will realize there are good and bad on both sides. And as Alaric told Dhugal it isn't the powers themselves that are bad or good, it is what is in the heart and mind of the person with the powers. I think Airich has good intentions but I think he needs to give it more thought. Maybe it's the responsibility of having them that is hard for him. Still wish we knew what happened to his to produce this situation. Not knowing is like trying to solve a problem in the dark.

He seems to be acting responsibly for the most part in this story, so I don't think he is afraid of the responsibility of having his Deryni powers. I think he is just at the end of his tether when it comes with dealing with the horrible headaches and nightmares that using his powers brings him, and that's the only sure solution for his problem that he can imagine at the moment.

Imagine if you had breast cancer in both breasts, and it seemed like the most certain way to prevent it from causing further damage to you would be to get a double mastectomy. You wouldn't get that done because you hate your breasts, you'd get it done because you hate the cancer and don't want it doing further damage to your body.

Airich is in a similar sort of situation. Now, it's possible that his problem can be cured in some other, less drastic way. But if he is not aware of that, he'd be trying to seek relief and healing in whatever way he is pretty sure will solve the problem, and at least Blocking (which I also hope he won't resort to, but I can easily understand why he'd strongly consider it) is a less drastic and final solution than, say, suicide. Though hopefully he's not quite that desperate for relief.
well as far as we know the only one with the blocking power is Wash and even if Airich finds him, he is very choosy about using it. I think he will want to know when and how it started and he might have an idea how to provide the help Airich needs. And he does have a whole healing center so he has resources. Hope he can help without blocking.
"Thanks be to God there are still, as there always have been and always will be, more good men than evil in this world, and their cause will prevail." Brother Cadfael's Penance

DerynifanK

Quote from: DerynifanK on September 04, 2024, 10:09:05 AM
Quote from: Evie on September 03, 2024, 10:02:33 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on September 03, 2024, 09:36:13 PM
Quote from: Nezz on September 03, 2024, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on September 03, 2024, 07:34:22 PM
Quote from: Nezz on August 31, 2024, 04:12:53 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on August 31, 2024, 04:05:50 PMI see growth and maturity and progress in all of our characters except Airich. I don't see much change in him, even after his encounter with a vicious human like de Nore. Does he really still want to have his powers blocked and become human. I had hoped for change but don't really see any.
We haven't really gotten into Airich's POV since before Edwin's first speech, so we don't know what he's thinking at the moment or if he's had any changes of heart. Plus, he's friends with quite a few Humans and thinks they're delightful people, and sees nothing wrong with wanting to emulate them. ;) In fact, he has reason to believe that you yourself are Human and he thinks you're great. :)
Seeing what was done by humans to an innocent man who just happened to be Deryni should cause him to reconsider his POV I should think.
So... he should hate humans instead of wanting to emulate them? Consider that he also knows what Deryni have done to Humans as well as what Humans have done to Deryni.
I didn't say he should hate anyone. I hope he will realize there are good and bad on both sides. And as Alaric told Dhugal it isn't the powers themselves that are bad or good, it is what is in the heart and mind of the person with the powers. I think Airich has good intentions but I think he needs to give it more thought. Maybe it's the responsibility of having them that is hard for him. Still wish we knew what happened to his to produce this situation. Not knowing is like trying to solve a problem in the dark.

He seems to be acting responsibly for the most part in this story, so I don't think he is afraid of the responsibility of having his Deryni powers. I think he is just at the end of his tether when it comes with dealing with the horrible headaches and nightmares that using his powers brings him, and that's the only sure solution for his problem that he can imagine at the moment.

Imagine if you had breast cancer in both breasts, and it seemed like the most certain way to prevent it from causing further damage to you would be to get a double mastectomy. You wouldn't get that done because you hate your breasts, you'd get it done because you hate the cancer and don't want it doing further damage to your body.

Airich is in a similar sort of situation. Now, it's possible that his problem can be cured in some other, less drastic way. But if he is not aware of that, he'd be trying to seek relief and healing in whatever way he is pretty sure will solve the problem, and at least Blocking (which I also hope he won't resort to, but I can easily understand why he'd strongly consider it) is a less drastic and final solution than, say, suicide. Though hopefully he's not quite that desperate for relief.
well as far as we know the only one with the blocking power is Wash and even if Airich finds him, he is very choosy about using it. I think he will want to know when and how it started and he might have an idea how to provide the help Airich needs. And he does have a whole healing center so he has resources. Hope he can help without blocking.
Feyd can certainly control dreams but I would have to think long and hard before introducing him to Feyd.
"Thanks be to God there are still, as there always have been and always will be, more good men than evil in this world, and their cause will prevail." Brother Cadfael's Penance

Nezz

Quote from: DerynifanK on September 04, 2024, 11:42:09 AM
Quote from: DerynifanK on September 04, 2024, 10:09:05 AM
Quote from: Evie on September 03, 2024, 10:02:33 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on September 03, 2024, 09:36:13 PM
Quote from: Nezz on September 03, 2024, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on September 03, 2024, 07:34:22 PM
Quote from: Nezz on August 31, 2024, 04:12:53 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on August 31, 2024, 04:05:50 PMI see growth and maturity and progress in all of our characters except Airich. I don't see much change in him, even after his encounter with a vicious human like de Nore. Does he really still want to have his powers blocked and become human. I had hoped for change but don't really see any.
We haven't really gotten into Airich's POV since before Edwin's first speech, so we don't know what he's thinking at the moment or if he's had any changes of heart. Plus, he's friends with quite a few Humans and thinks they're delightful people, and sees nothing wrong with wanting to emulate them. ;) In fact, he has reason to believe that you yourself are Human and he thinks you're great. :)
Seeing what was done by humans to an innocent man who just happened to be Deryni should cause him to reconsider his POV I should think.
So... he should hate humans instead of wanting to emulate them? Consider that he also knows what Deryni have done to Humans as well as what Humans have done to Deryni.
I didn't say he should hate anyone. I hope he will realize there are good and bad on both sides. And as Alaric told Dhugal it isn't the powers themselves that are bad or good, it is what is in the heart and mind of the person with the powers. I think Airich has good intentions but I think he needs to give it more thought. Maybe it's the responsibility of having them that is hard for him. Still wish we knew what happened to his to produce this situation. Not knowing is like trying to solve a problem in the dark.

He seems to be acting responsibly for the most part in this story, so I don't think he is afraid of the responsibility of having his Deryni powers. I think he is just at the end of his tether when it comes with dealing with the horrible headaches and nightmares that using his powers brings him, and that's the only sure solution for his problem that he can imagine at the moment.

Imagine if you had breast cancer in both breasts, and it seemed like the most certain way to prevent it from causing further damage to you would be to get a double mastectomy. You wouldn't get that done because you hate your breasts, you'd get it done because you hate the cancer and don't want it doing further damage to your body.

Airich is in a similar sort of situation. Now, it's possible that his problem can be cured in some other, less drastic way. But if he is not aware of that, he'd be trying to seek relief and healing in whatever way he is pretty sure will solve the problem, and at least Blocking (which I also hope he won't resort to, but I can easily understand why he'd strongly consider it) is a less drastic and final solution than, say, suicide. Though hopefully he's not quite that desperate for relief.
well as far as we know the only one with the blocking power is Wash and even if Airich finds him, he is very choosy about using it. I think he will want to know when and how it started and he might have an idea how to provide the help Airich needs. And he does have a whole healing center so he has resources. Hope he can help without blocking.
Feyd can certainly control dreams but I would have to think long and hard before introducing him to Feyd.
Depends on how desperate the boy gets. Bynw has suggested that Feyd would be more than happy to help out... and maybe win a new convert to his cause... ;)
Now is life, and life is always better.
-Wolfself

Bynw

Quote from: DerynifanK on September 04, 2024, 11:42:09 AMFeyd can certainly control dreams but I would have to think long and hard before introducing him to Feyd.


Feyd is really good with memories, dreams, Ritual magic, and Transfer Portals. He could help Airich. Feyd isn't really a bad guy. Just different motives.

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Evie

Quote from: Bynw on September 04, 2024, 02:48:58 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on September 04, 2024, 11:42:09 AMFeyd can certainly control dreams but I would have to think long and hard before introducing him to Feyd.


Feyd is really good with memories, dreams, Ritual magic, and Transfer Portals. He could help Airich. Feyd isn't really a bad guy. Just different motives.

Not to mention very sketchy views on consent, Wash might add.
"In necessariis unitas, in non-necessariis libertas, in utrisque caritas."

--WARNING!!!--
I have a vocabulary in excess of 75,000 words, and I'm not afraid to use it!

Laurna

Quote from: Evie on September 04, 2024, 02:52:36 PM
Quote from: Bynw on September 04, 2024, 02:48:58 PM
Quote from: DerynifanK on September 04, 2024, 11:42:09 AMFeyd can certainly control dreams but I would have to think long and hard before introducing him to Feyd.


Feyd is really good with memories, dreams, Ritual magic, and Transfer Portals. He could help Airich. Feyd isn't really a bad guy. Just different motives.

Not to mention very sketchy views on consent, Wash might add.

Indeed yes.   Not sure that Feyd is better than the worst alternative. but that is a darn close horserace. Not unless you have an upper hand card to hold.  At least Washburn now has that. so long as its exclusivity lasts.
May your horses have wings and fly!

Marc_du_Temple

Pleased to be properly introduced to the boy
"We're the masters of chant.
We are brothers in arms.
For we don't give up,
Till 'time has come.
Will you guide us God?
We are singing as one.
We are masters of chant." -Gregorian

DerynifanK

I wonder what special task Airich has planned for this day. I do worry about him.
"Thanks be to God there are still, as there always have been and always will be, more good men than evil in this world, and their cause will prevail." Brother Cadfael's Penance